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FFMAN 28th Feb 2019 17:52

[QUOTE=OzzyOzBorn;10402845]I departed MAN T3 for LHR on a BA Shuttle on the morning of 26th February, just hours before FFMAN posted his adverse comments about security there. I encountered no queue to speak of. No shouting. Staff were courteous. /QUOTE].

Wait a minute Ozzy, I can't let you get away with that.
Maybe instead of actually reading my post you read what you wanted to read in to it?
Where did I say there were huge queues? Where did I say there was shouting? Where did I say the staff were not courteous?
I was simply warning fellow travellers (including you!) of the need (Manchester only rules) to take out laptop chargers and put them in the tray - totally pointlessly of course. i thought that if people were prepared then it might save them a bit of time in the queue.
But then you've been to every airport on earth in the last 6 months and therefore know everything - so no point telling you. I think I have met you ...or someone like you. Most people have.
Plus if you had read my previous comments on security you might have noticed that I don't even give MAN the accolade of 'most shouty airport' - that usually goes to the main US gateway airports.

What I don't like about Manchester security (and I think this is pretty unique) is the implied threat to severely delay you if your bags gets pulled - whether it's your fault of the fault of a novice screen reader not being savvy enough to know what they've seen. I suspect this threat is an intentional policy of intimidation. Security is supposed to be a service to the customers of the airlines that are the customers of the airport. We are not supposed to be the enemy as it often feels at MAN.

Manchester has it's issues for sure - it's a pretty terrible passenger experience all round. Others describe it well and it's the airport I recognize rather than the rose tinted view you have presented. We have to to take account of the time of day too; at some times of the day it's bearable, other times unbearable - are you sure you're not referencing Manchester NH?

Johnny [email protected] Pants 28th Feb 2019 18:08


My colleagues that visit from Belfast always travel back in the evening from T3
Tell your colleagues to travel with an airline that doesn’t use T3, there are other options.

OzzyOzBorn 28th Feb 2019 22:50

[QUOTE=FFMAN;10403163]

Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 10402845)
I departed MAN T3 for LHR on a BA Shuttle on the morning of 26th February, just hours before FFMAN posted his adverse comments about security there. I encountered no queue to speak of. No shouting. Staff were courteous. /QUOTE].

Wait a minute Ozzy, I can't let you get away with that.
Maybe instead of actually reading my post you read what you wanted to read in to it?
Where did I say there were huge queues? Where did I say there was shouting? Where did I say the staff were not courteous?
I was simply warning fellow travellers (including you!) of the need (Manchester only rules) to take out laptop chargers and put them in the tray - totally pointlessly of course. i thought that if people were prepared then it might save them a bit of time in the queue.
But then you've been to every airport on earth in the last 6 months and therefore know everything - so no point telling you. I think I have met you ...or someone like you. Most people have.
Plus if you had read my previous comments on security you might have noticed that I don't even give MAN the accolade of 'most shouty airport' - that usually goes to the main US gateway airports.

What I don't like about Manchester security (and I think this is pretty unique) is the implied threat to severely delay you if your bags gets pulled - whether it's your fault of the fault of a novice screen reader not being savvy enough to know what they've seen. I suspect this threat is an intentional policy of intimidation. Security is supposed to be a service to the customers of the airlines that are the customers of the airport. We are not supposed to be the enemy as it often feels at MAN.

Manchester has it's issues for sure - it's a pretty terrible passenger experience all round. Others describe it well and it's the airport I recognize rather than the rose tinted view you have presented. We have to to take account of the time of day too; at some times of the day it's bearable, other times unbearable - are you sure you're not referencing Manchester NH?

Well YES. I did read your post. But I also read all those which followed it. Did you? All the points I addressed were raised. You appear to be under the misapprehension that my reply was intended for you alone.

I have not claimed to have "used every airport in the world in the last 6 months". Such hyperbole does you no credit. But the 451 I have travelled through (yes, including Manchester NH!) represent a good sample size with which to compare MAN. I stated that I'd place MAN in the top 25% of those for user experience, but clearly that "rose tinted" assessment is something you're not prepared to contemplate. No, "rose tinted" would be claiming top 10. Seriously, if you genuinely believe that MAN is "a pretty terrible passenger experience all round" then I have to say that you can't have travelled much. Perhaps MAN is the worst except for most of the others?!!!

By the way, thanks for informing us that major airports experience peak periods and quiet periods. Who knew? If only I'd taken that into account!

So you have met "someone like me" ... hmmm, what a strange thing to write. Well, maybe you learned a bit about how the world really works in the process.

Actually, I do think it is sad that this thread has degenerated into a tight cabal of whingeing drama queens who harass anybody who doesn't instantly acknowledge that MAN is one of the worst airports in the world. Upto a couple of years back, this site used to be the 'go to' resource for up to date info on airports like MAN. But most of the informative posters seem to have given up. Apologies to rare exceptions such as Scottie Dog and Roverman. What went wrong? How did the whingers get to dominate the narrative on here? Such a shame.

MARK9263 1st Mar 2019 06:29

God, this is boring...

chaps1954 1st Mar 2019 07:00

Only a month until first stage of TP opens with pier 1 becoming operational, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings transfer to T2 from
end of April and Jet2 commence second part of their move
United start their upgrade to B767 with 300s in winter and 400s in summer, Turkish Airlines are putting A330 on afternoon flight 3 days
a week from 2nd April to 26th October ( Tu, Th and Sa)
Just a few things to wet your appetite for what promises to be a busy year.

DomyDom 1st Mar 2019 07:53


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10403590)
Only a month until first stage of TP opens with pier 1 becoming operational, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings transfer to to T2 from
end of April and Jet2 commence second part of their move
United start their upgrade to B767 with 300s in winter and 400s in summer, Turkish Airlines are putting A330 on afternoon flight 3 days
a week from 2nd April to 26th October
Just a few things to wet your appetite for what promises to be a busy year.

Thanks for posting this update chaps1954.

Betablockeruk 1st Mar 2019 08:03


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10403590)
Only a month until first stage of TP opens with pier 1 becoming operational, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings transfer to T2 from
end of April and Jet2 commence second part of their move
United start their upgrade to B767 with 300s in winter and 400s in summer, Turkish Airlines are putting A330 on afternoon flight 3 days
a week from 2nd April to 26th October ( Tu, Th and Sa)
Just a few things to wet your appetite for what promises to be a busy year.

Exciting times, although waiting for the 1st "I cant see what's on stand 105 complaint"
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1d24b0a804.jpg

chaps1954 1st Mar 2019 09:22

Ha Ha yes I agree.

Scottie Dog 1st Mar 2019 10:42

Do I get a more powerful set of binoculars or will MAG supply NATS with CCTV as they already do for T3? 🙄🙄

eggc 1st Mar 2019 18:58

Lookin good and nearly there...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ac04df8437.jpg

Little G73 1st Mar 2019 19:04

Run Manch as a remote tower from Swanwick. Perfect all round views. No probs with blind stands

ZOOKER 2nd Mar 2019 11:45

Multilateration will resolve the visibility issues I believe, but hey Little G, don't give them ideas!

Actually, you don't need to use Swanwick. MAG employ their own ATCOs at EGNX, so they could ditch NATS and run 'CC, 'NX and 'SS from any of those sites using RTwr technology.

According to at least one of their managers, the evolution of that technology is something they're watching closely.

virginblue 2nd Mar 2019 13:01

What facilities will be available in Pier 1? Just gates or also a food outlet and/or a newsagent? Or will the masses be corralled in the central departure lounge until the very last minute?

Scottie Dog 2nd Mar 2019 17:54

I've not seen any facilities in photos posted of the pier. I would expect passengers to move to the gate when boarding is anticipated.


MANworker 3rd Mar 2019 10:00

There will be no facilities in the new pier, the plan is for pax to remain in the main terminal until the aircraft is almost ready for boarding. There are also limited amount of toilets in the pier, and the arrivals level has even fewer toilets. Looks good inside, some issues are arising with the trials ongoing, and are trying to be resolved but Iím not convinced anything can be done at this point. Itíll be an interesting first few days to see what happens, canít wait for the first complaint about it being too far or too big

Council Van 3rd Mar 2019 14:03


There are also limited amount of toilets in the pier,
It is likely to a bare minimum of a hour from the flight being called to climbing through 10'000ft the earliest point at which I would consider switching the seat belt signs off.

ZOOKER 3rd Mar 2019 15:41

A very valid point Council Van, and if pax in the main terminal for longer there will be more time to drink water/tea/coffee/small sherries etc.
Eleven aircraft stands means well in excess of 1,100 people, with limited toilet facilities.

Curious Pax 3rd Mar 2019 16:00

Not a big surprise that they want to encourage people to stay in the main terminal area for as long as possible so they can spend their holiday cash in the shops/bars etc. However in the early days before the T2X extension opens it could be a bit of an issue with the long walk from terminal to gate.

Scottie Dog 3rd Mar 2019 20:15

Here is the latest update on the MAN-TP programme,. courtesy of Manchester Airport - PlaneTalk Issue #80

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Scottie Dog 3rd Mar 2019 20:46

Manchester Statistics - January 2019

Introduction
Back in September 2015 I decided that I should start to correlate statistics for Manchester and use 2005 as a reference point for historical data. My file now consists of 14 years of monthly figures and 484 destinations that have been served from Manchester over that period.

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

Langkawi came online in January 2019 with 1,469 cruise passengers. U-Tapoa in Thailand appears for the first time with 1,155 charter passengers and Murcia International shows 2,124 scheduled passengers - Murcia San Javier saw its figures drop from 4,861 to 2,336 and Murcia as a whole had a reduction of 401 passenger.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)

Amsterdam - 1,041,195 passengers
Dubai - This route has now dropped out of the target figure to be included.

No domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for January.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 1,786,032 +6.9%
Annual Total - 24,784,468 +2.01%
Moving Annual Total - 28,417,078 +2.07%

Monthly Movements - 13,645 +0.79%
Annual Movements - 173,322 -0.84%
Moving Annual Movements - 201,348 -0.93%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
https://i.ibb.co/N18bWyB/Screenshot-245.png

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.
https://i.ibb.co/5MLzKhm/Screenshot-246.png

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
https://i.ibb.co/frckdpD/Screenshot-247.png

Comparison of top 25 destinations - January 2009 versus January 2019
https://i.ibb.co/jJX0YDg/Screenshot-248.png

Major changes to Domestic traffic
https://i.ibb.co/mBwjGYw/Screenshot-249.png

CAA statistics for January are provisional.


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