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Sharklet_321 31st Jan 2020 16:14

All is not lost. The airport is still a 1,781,308 passenger airport which is major for regional airports.

Big gains on Paris in December growing by 18% to 6,908 up from 5,861.
Guernsey also did fantastically well growing over 38% to 11,717 in the month from 8,515 the year before.
Geneva grew too - by 6% despite a slightly lower frequency of flights in December up to 2,753 from 2,608.

Overall the airport handled 118,827 in December, a fall of 17% from the previous year.

The Nutts Mutts 31st Jan 2020 18:59

The Geneva growth is all coming from easyJet- they averaged 135 pax per flight in December, up from 131 last year and 124 the year before
Flybe on the other hand averaged 48 pax per flight, down from 52 last year and 61 the year before.

Rivet Joint 1st Feb 2020 12:17

Anyone know if the tree works at Marhill Copse have been completed? I wonder how much of a difference this will make for ops.

ericlday 1st Feb 2020 12:42


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 10677072)
Anyone know if the tree works at Marhill Copse have been completed? I wonder how much of a difference this will make for ops.

A Tree mend us difference......sorry !!!!

highwideandugly 1st Feb 2020 18:52

Barking up the wrong tree..sorry!

Asturias56 2nd Feb 2020 08:27

have to ash you all to stop this...............

Jn14:6 2nd Feb 2020 08:52

Fir enough.....

TCAS FAN 2nd Feb 2020 09:11


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 10677072)
Anyone know if the tree works at Marhill Copse have been completed? I wonder how much of a difference this will make for ops.

Ref my post # 1828 and others related to it, improvement with takeoff weights could be significant, unfortunately the proverbial boat has been missed for S20.

If the tree work has been completed the airport's surveyors need to be called in, re-assess the take-off obstacle environment, compile a revised survey report, submit to NATS AIM who will produce new Type A charts to depict the revised obstacle environment. If the surveyors arrive tomorrow you are probably looking at July+ for the Type A Charts to be published.

clitenau 5th Feb 2020 09:11

there are certain conditions that I can’t accept.

RW20 5th Feb 2020 13:48

Care to explain???

RW20 17th Feb 2020 21:26


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 10680074)
Care to explain???

All is quite on the proposed planning permission for the runway,the consultation process ended last month,so what is happening?
It's a political hot potatoe know,so perhaps substantial delays in announcing a decision?

zantopst 18th Feb 2020 05:36

There is a new 30 day consultancy period up until the end of March

https://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2020...runway-update/


Sharklet_321 18th Feb 2020 07:23


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 10689980)
All is quite on the proposed planning permission for the runway,the consultation process ended last month,so what is happening?
It's a political hot potatoe know,so perhaps substantial delays in announcing a decision?


Potato or Potatoes never Potatoe

Gurnard 18th Feb 2020 07:34


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 10689980)
All is quite on the proposed planning permission for the runway,the consultation process ended last month,so what is happening?
It's a political hot potatoe know,so perhaps substantial delays in announcing a decision?

As we're pointing things out -
Either quiet or quite [something else]....

Sharklet_321 18th Feb 2020 07:52

and also Know versus Now

SWBKCB 18th Feb 2020 09:18

There's actually some interesting points in the article linked at #2013...

Dropoffcharge 18th Feb 2020 09:32


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10690261)
There's actually some interesting points in the article linked at #2013...

Picking the bones from it, it reads "if you give us our runway extension EBC, we'll give you access to your planned new business park"

TCAS FAN 18th Feb 2020 15:49


Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge (Post 10690270)
Picking the bones from it, it reads "if you give us our runway extension EBC, we'll give you access to your planned new business park"

Nothing more than EBC approving 1100 new homes at North Stoneham - if you build us a school?

Rivet Joint 18th Feb 2020 19:06


Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge (Post 10690270)
Picking the bones from it, it reads "if you give us our runway extension EBC, we'll give you access to your planned new business park"

it would be a shame if they waste the land to the north east on yet more large sheds which employ a tiny amount of people. I am amazed SOU are not marketing the land to business aircraft operators and maintenance providers. Thinking big maybe even manufacturers of aircraft although that might be a stretch. There can’t be many pieces of development land that size with direct access to a runway in the UK. This is one of the richest parts of the country after all, and Farnborough has proved that there is insatiable demand for business traffic.

One interesting thing I picked up on the planning portal is that correspondence has been lodged by both BOH and even Bournemouth Council basically asking that their operations are taking into account when deciding whether to give approval. I suppose you cannot blame BOH for protecting their business but it’s a bit rich. Very interesting that Bournemouth Council are that supportive of their local airport that they will even comment on a neighbouring airports planning permission, whilst Southampton Council have objected to their local airport’s planning permission! Whilst the local council has to be seen to be listening to nimbys as they scream the loudest, SOU is teetering on the edge of losing 90%+ of its business and all the jobs it supports without the extension. What a strange world we live in.

Dropoffcharge 18th Feb 2020 19:50


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 10690670)
it would be a shame if they waste the land to the north east on yet more large sheds which employ a tiny amount of people.

SOU is teetering on the edge of losing 90%+ of its business and all the jobs it supports without the extension. What a strange world we live in.

Indeed, surely there are enough of those on the old ford site now due to the fact it all become commercial not a mix of housing as well.

That is the big worry of this whole current situation, if Flybe pull through then all good, if not then the expansion becomes an absolute must for SOU.

MerchantVenturer 18th Feb 2020 20:04


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 10690670)
One interesting thing I picked up on the planning portal is that correspondence has been lodged by both BOH and even Bournemouth Council basically asking that their operations are taking into account when deciding whether to give approval. I suppose you cannot blame BOH for protecting their business but it’s a bit rich..

Both the Welsh Government and the Welsh Government's wholly-owned Cardiff Airport sent letters to North Somerset Unitary Authority regarding Bristol Airport's expansion planning application that was rejected last week by the local authority. Their contention was that the expansion wasn't necessary as CWL could cope with any extra passenger traffic in the Severnside region. BRS is my local airport and I am a user but I see nothing wrong in the WG's or their airport's actions in trying to protect their own interests. The same applies with BOH.

In the 1990s Bristol Airport objected at a planning enquiry to a proposed new city airport at Filton.

Rivet Joint 20th Feb 2020 14:17


Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer (Post 10690727)
Both the Welsh Government and the Welsh Government's wholly-owned Cardiff Airport sent letters to North Somerset Unitary Authority regarding Bristol Airport's expansion planning application that was rejected last week by the local authority. Their contention was that the expansion wasn't necessary as CWL could cope with any extra passenger traffic in the Severnside region. BRS is my local airport and I am a user but I see nothing wrong in the WG's or their airport's actions in trying to protect their own interests. The same applies with BOH.

In the 1990s Bristol Airport objected at a planning enquiry to a proposed new city airport at Filton.

Interesting to hear. I am sure it’s standard practice to defend their own interest, but BOH has invested around £50 million over the last few years and not got very far as a result. Let’s hope SOU gets the same chance to implement some investment.

Groundloop 21st Feb 2020 12:34


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 10692130)
Interesting to hear. I am sure it’s standard practice to defend their own interest, but BOH has invested around £50 million over the last few years and not got very far as a result. Let’s hope SOU gets the same chance to implement some investment.

A 19% growth in PAX numbers at BOH for 2019 cf 2018 is equal to "not got very far"?

RW20 21st Feb 2020 15:36


Originally Posted by Groundloop (Post 10692849)
A 19% growth in PAX numbers at BOH for 2019 cf 2018 is equal to "not got very far"?

Groundloop, BOH is on the up and will probably be the regional airport of the South in the next few years. Good investment has paid off.There are contributors on this Southampton blog that are blinkered to how
​​​​bad SOU has been managed in the last 15 years,simply relying on Flybe was so short sighted ,and if it goes down then it will be the demise of Southampton airport. Bournemouth can take up some of the routes that could become available,and expand its routes into Europe. The era of the turboprop is slowly declining.



rog747 21st Feb 2020 16:38

BOH (which is very convenient, dont get me wrong) great, is on the 'up', but surely in the main, the traffic is seasonal leisure influenced as it always has been since the 60's.
Mostly Summer and Winter sun, SKI flights, Norway Cruises, and a bit of long haul Cruise stuff.
With regards to ethnic/EU worker & associated VFR traffic, the new EU workers immigration status changing may see any such Lo-Co traffic not ever return.
BOH suffers poor road access, no train station, and an erratic slow bus link from town.
The airport is a taxi drivers or car park company's dream, but great to go on your Hols from.

So I cannot see BOH in the future ever being a ''regional'', sorry.

SOU (and EXT for that matter) both have more regional point to point business links, good direct road and motorway access, and SOU has a Railway station just 3 minutes walk from check-in.
That alone is worth a pot of gold surely?
The huge SOU Port cruise ship business does not seem to have been tapped into.
The Cruise lines run door to door luxury coaches from Scotland, Mids and the North direct to the ship side...

So, where has SOU all gone wrong...If Flybe fail then we are looking at a very empty space which is a crying shame.

We all talk of EZYjet doing this and doing that - Maybe they will come into SOU like they did at SEN, and gamble to make SOU a real game changer?

Sharklet_321 21st Feb 2020 20:12

wonder - if there was no traffic at SOU - (e.g if Flybe were to go under) whether the BOH issue with not being able to support regional services would be alleviated?

It would be better of course for SOU to attract easyJet itself in the likes of BFS, GLA, EDI, INV and ABZ. Perhaps even JER. Definitely AMS and CDG.

Sharklet_321 3rd Mar 2020 13:12

SOU processed 100,912 pax in Jan'20 (down 16%) with a year-to-date total of 1,762,018
Growth on the CDG route of 16% was reassuring to see at over 5,355 pax.

Wycombe 3rd Mar 2020 15:11

One suspects GVA should be well up also, EZY appear to have been operating up to 6 weekly recently.

stewyb 3rd Mar 2020 15:24


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10701652)
One suspects GVA should be well up also, EZY appear to have been operating up to 6 weekly recently.

no, usual frequency and instead a fault with FR24!

Sharklet_321 3rd Mar 2020 15:32

Unfortunately GVA was one of the worst performers, down 25%. Passengers on this route stood at 3,495 in Jan'20 down from 4,645 in Jan'19.

stewyb 3rd Mar 2020 15:41


Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 (Post 10701672)
Unfortunately GVA was one of the worst performers, down 25%. Passengers on this route stood at 3,495 in Jan'20 down from 4,645 in Jan'19.

let’s not forget EZY has cut the Tue departure this year plus I believe BE haven’t reached the numbers of previous years. From what I have heard the EZY loads have been very strong!

The Nutts Mutts 3rd Mar 2020 16:35

EZY had an average of 134 pax per flight in January, up from 121 last year and 117 the year before. As StewyB says they only operate on Sundays and Thursdays this year, apart from a couple of weeks around Christmas and Feb half term when the Tuesday flight is reinstated.
Flybe had an average of 45 pax per flight in January, down from 52 last year and 70 the year before.
So less passengers carried this year, but the numbers appear to be going in the right direction for EZY.

Planespeaking 4th Mar 2020 20:51

It seems Flybe have finally conceded defeat.

So sorry for all the staff, but where does this leave SOU where 95% of it's commercial movements and pax came from this one airline.

Regrettably the airport lost it's other carriers and was left with just one on life support and now reportedly that has been switched off.

RW20 4th Mar 2020 21:35


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10703017)
It seems Flybe have finally conceded defeat.

So sorry for all the staff, but where does this leave SOU where 95% of it's commercial movements and pax came from this one airline.

Regrettably the airport lost it's other carriers and was left with just one on life support and now reportedly that has been switched off.

It's curtains for the airport,there's no way the owners will resist the cashpot that the land will make for housing.
It's a tragedy that could so easy have been a success story given airside investment over the years,and certainly the full implementation of the 2005 masterplan.
Good luck to Bournemouth,they take on the regional airport role

Dropoffcharge 4th Mar 2020 21:47

I'm hoping that some routes can be taken on, even if for a short period, however do feel that the proposed extension plans have now taken a massive hit. EBC will truly be rubbing their hands at the thought of possibly gaining some more land for housing, feel for everyone involved at the airport.

SotonFlightpath 4th Mar 2020 21:53

A devastating blow for SOU, but I believe the airport will bounce back. It’s worth remembering that the financial problems lay with Flybe, not with most of the routes from Southampton. The ‘core routes’ to Manchester, Edinburgh’ Glasgow, Ireland and the Channel Islands are all exceptionally well-used and profitable, and AMS and CDG perform well too.

There will obviously be a disastrous short-term down-turn with the suspension of these services, but in the medium term these core routes will either return with a similar frequency with a mix of other regional carriers, Aer Lingus Regional, Eastern, Loganair, Blue Islands, Aurigny, KLM, or with easyJet ‘cherry picking’ a few domestic routes offering a couple of services a day. And yes, an A319/A320 can operate on these short routes perfectly well.

The demand is clearly there’ and the market will respond in the appropriate way.

FrequentlyFlying 4th Mar 2020 21:57

The state of some of these comments! One in particular.
its a sad day/night. These are real people out of work or fearful of it. It isn’t something for glee.
my thoughts are always that if they could get out of historic / legacy contracts then the owner group will pick and create a new airline without the baggage and whatever routes they like.
i expect to see a launch soon of a new virgin et al backed connect airline without any of the debt baggage. Whether they get the routes/slots is another question, but who will be competing? Possibly wait 6-12 months due to the virus outbreak before committing.
the planning application wasn’t good - if it fails it won’t be because of Flybe. On appeal it could still stand a chance - depends if that’s what they want.
hope and best wishes to all at SOU and of course Flybe and associated providers / etc

stewyb 4th Mar 2020 21:58


Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath (Post 10703140)
A devastating blow for SOU, but I believe the airport will bounce back. It’s worth remembering that the financial problems lay with Flybe, not with most of the routes from Southampton. The ‘core routes’ to Manchester, Edinburgh’ Glasgow, Ireland and the Channel Islands are all exceptionally well-used and profitable, and AMS and CDG perform well too.

There will obviously be a disastrous short-term down-turn with the suspension of these services, but in the medium term these core routes will either return with a similar frequency with a mix of other regional carriers, Aer Lingus Regional, Eastern, Loganair, Blue Islands, Aurigny, KLM, or with easyJet ‘cherry picking’ a few domestic routes offering a couple of services a day. And yes, an A319/A320 can operate on these short routes perfectly well.

The demand is clearly there’ and the market will respond in the appropriate way.

Well said and fully agree, the airport will bounce back even though certain posters are desperate for the airport to fail!

virginblue 4th Mar 2020 22:05

So tomorrow a.m. there will be a grand total of three scheduled flights?

Buster the Bear 4th Mar 2020 23:08

Cash flow is King, I wonder how much outstanding debt will be owing to Southampton airport by Flybe?


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