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LTNman 27th Oct 2020 05:28

It is due to Romania introducing a 14 day quarantine on the UK. The UK already had a 14 day quarantine on Romania, which did not put the Romanians off from traveling but their one on us has focused their minds.

Wizz have introduced a new quarantine buster service that started yesterday using an A321 to Liverpool from Moldova, as a way for Romanians to get around the quarantine rules. Their Luton Moldova services are now very popular with the Romanian community as Romanians are classed as being in transit by Moldova.

Moldova is another country on our quarantine list but once again it is not putting anyone off from travelling.

tws123 30th Oct 2020 11:19

Wideroe
 
Schedules for Kristiansand and Bergen have been updated. Both routes will operate at 2x weekly each through to October 2021. Bergen still resumes on 5 March 2021; Kristiansand on 2 April 2021.

rowly6339 30th Oct 2020 16:00

Still makes me laugh when people talk about Stobart group and trucking, the only trucks that Stobart own/operate are the trucks for the Energy side of the group and they are based in tilbury next to the power station that they serve so stobart will not be operating trucks from sen at all.

davidjohnson6 30th Oct 2020 16:23

Are FlyOne planning on returning to Southend or are they gone ? Their website shows Gatwick as their only UK airport

tws123 30th Oct 2020 16:48

Must be moving over to LGW then. SEN was showing in the system this morning but with nothing bookable.

AirportPlanner1 30th Oct 2020 16:54

FlyOne should have been more ambitious and tried their hand at Heathrow - Blue Air seem to be quitting LTN for it at least for this winter and Summer ‘21. Although with Moldova well covered from LTN and STN it perhaps makes geographic sense to try LGW.

Just shows though how brutal Summer ‘21 will be, it’s a minor miracle Wideroe are still planning on coming.

LTNman 30th Oct 2020 17:33

Airlines now have choices and airports now sit in a pecking order.

Planespeaking 30th Oct 2020 17:41


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10915252)
Airlines now have choices and airports now sit in a pecking order.

No really.. specialist subject the bleedin' obvious...and I guess SEN is at the bottom in your opinion LTNman!

davidjohnson6 30th Oct 2020 17:43

Well, there's always Lydd, Shoreham or Oxford if you think Southend is a bit too busy and urban for you...

LTNman 30th Oct 2020 18:33


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10915257)
No really.. specialist subject the bleedin' obvious...and I guess SEN is at the bottom in your opinion LTNman!

Seems to be your opinion Mr Bad Attitude.

AirportPlanner1 30th Oct 2020 23:47

Pecking order maybe but SEN had a place pre-90s and can continue to tick along with whatever comes in the next year or two even if that is just Ryanair or Wizz flying a few routes to the Med. No one expected Blue Air and Eastern Airways to be on Heathrow’s roster this year.

I do wonder if SEN will be back down to 0 flights next week with Lockdown 2, or whether we’ll be in the position where we can do nothing here but can jet off for a few days of sun in Spain

Buster the Bear 30th Oct 2020 23:56

When Stobart, desperate for liquidity during March 2020, tried to sell 25% of Southend, when the valuation of the airport was £700-800m, I wonder what a 25% stake would cost now?

LTNman 31st Oct 2020 06:58


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10915433)

I do wonder if SEN will be back down to 0 flights next week with Lockdown 2

That is dangerous talk here but I doubt that will happen. People will continue to ignore government advice, which will just prolong the agony.



Expressflight 31st Oct 2020 08:28


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10915550)
That is dangerous talk here but I doubt that will happen. People will continue to ignore government advice, which will just prolong the agony.

Not dangerous talk at all. Many of us are realists as well as being SEN supporters and the reality is that SEN will find things very difficult over the next year or two at least. If most holidays destinations are opened up sometime in 2021 there will be a strong demand within SEN's natural catchment and I don't see why RYR shouldn't choose to capture that demand by continuing its presence at SEN. Beyond that there may not be too much airline activity in evidence in my view.

SWBKCB 31st Oct 2020 08:46

Agreed - the other big factor for the London market is what happens with slots at LHR/LGW next summer

AirportPlanner1 31st Oct 2020 10:25

LHR is the one to watch. While some might move to LGW such as FlyOne Gatwick stand to lose far more than LTN/SEN/STN. Westjet, China Airlines, Ukraine, Rwandair all seeking to move in whole or part. There’s nothing more left at Southend really for anyone else to take. It’s hard to see what could move to LGW at the expense of another London airport in great volume.

In the case of Wideroe which would be predominantly inbound I’d suggest LGW wouldn’t be of too much interest although LCY certainly would be appealing.

pabely 31st Oct 2020 13:23


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10915595)
Not dangerous talk at all. Many of us are realists as well as being SEN supporters and the reality is that SEN will find things very difficult over the next year or two at least. If most holidays destinations are opened up sometime in 2021 there will be a strong demand within SEN's natural catchment and I don't see why RYR shouldn't choose to capture that demand by continuing its presence at SEN. Beyond that there may not be too much airline activity in evidence in my view.

Remember RYR are closing up shop at their home turf bases of OCK & SNN, so any long term commitment to SEN would be doubtful. Nobody knows how this will pan out, I would have thought once things start moving again propery it will be STN focus and if Max's arrive costs will be lower using these, I don't believe the Max can operate from SEN so longer term if the rumoured top up order is made, this will accelerate the removal of 737s.
Maybe why they are keeping EZY sweet with very cheap parking?

LTNman 31st Oct 2020 13:24

So why does Heathrow now have spare slots while Gatwick slots are still held by the airlines who won’t release them?

SWBKCB 31st Oct 2020 13:31


It’s hard to see what could move to LGW at the expense of another London airport in great volume.
Wizz have publicly stated their frustration at not being able to get the slots they want at LGW

LTNman 31st Oct 2020 13:33


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10915786)
Remember RYR are closing up shop at their home turf bases of OCK & SNN, so any long term commitment to SEN would be doubtful. Nobody knows how this will pan out, I would have thought once things start moving again propery it will be STN focus and if Max's arrive costs will be lower using these, I don't believe the Max can operate from SEN so longer term if the rumoured top up order is made, this will accelerate the removal of 737s.
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Ryanair are suspending services not pulling out. They make threats like they did over Brexit and then they change their mind when no one takes any notice.


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