PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Airlines, Airports & Routes (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes-85/)
-   -   Southend-2 (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/599766-southend-2-a.html)

southside bobby 8th Nov 2018 13:52

Ouch...

It can only get better.

Re VOE...Appears SEN have the (RYR) tiger firmly by the tail.

tophat27dt 8th Nov 2018 14:50


Originally Posted by runwayman (Post 10305391)
Adria first flight 2 passengers in & 5 out

For sure it can
only get better, but I am concerned the schedule is only for tourists and not appealling to business people enroute to the London area.

stewyb 8th Nov 2018 15:00


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10305446)
For sure it can
only get better, but I am concerned the schedule is only for tourists and not appealling to business people enroute to the London area.

not surprising, have you seen it’s geographical location amongst fields and forests!

southside bobby 8th Nov 2018 15:01

Splendid effort...
A community garden featuring 2000 red ceramic poppies made by hundreds of children from 25 schools in the region unveiled on the lawn in front of the terminal today.

AirportPlanner1 8th Nov 2018 16:34


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 10305455)


not surprising, have you seen it’s geographical location amongst fields and forests!

Flights between Paderborn and London have operated for far longer than they haven’t and for a long time supported a daily 737. Unfortunately such low frequency on an off-peak schedule with high fares and no marketing is only going to end badly.

tophat27dt 8th Nov 2018 18:15


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10305558)


Flights between Paderborn and London have operated for far longer than they haven’t and for a long time supported a daily 737. Unfortunately such low frequency on an off-peak schedule with high fares and no marketing is only going to end badly.

I do tend to agree. Very little marketing in Essex. I don't know about the German side.

asdf1234 12th Nov 2018 16:27

This should be fun. Share price down to 190p today on the back of the news of the High Court action.

Stobart Group Dispute With Former CEO Set For UK High Court

[ 12 Nov 2018 09:15 ]
LONDON (Alliance News) - A UK judge is preparing to oversee a High Court battle involving a multimillion-pound infrastructure business which started up in an isolated Lake District village half a century ago.
Bosses at Stobart Group PLC, which began life when founder Eddie Stobart went into business as an agricultural contractor in Hesket Newmarket, Cumbria, in the 1960s, have sued former chief executive Andrew Tinkler.
They say Tinkler conspired with other businessmen to harm the company's interests.
Bosses have also have made claims about money spent on air travel, and want a judge to rule that he was lawfully dismissed.
Tinkler, who was chief executive of the business between 2007 and 2017, denies wrongdoing, saying he was removed for no good reason, and has counter-claimed.
Judge Jonathan Russen is set to start overseeing a trial in London on Monday.

Pain in the R's 16th Nov 2018 14:35

Worth having a look at the Flybe thread which shows a bar chart of their UK operation . Seems their SEN routes are a horror story of massive loses and is their worst performing airport. I wasn't expecting that!

DC3 Dave 16th Nov 2018 16:39

If Flybe can sustain heavy losses from an operation where they supposedly take no commercial risk then God help them.

Cyrano 16th Nov 2018 18:17


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10313034)
If Flybe can sustain heavy losses from an operation where they supposedly take no commercial risk then God help them.

The chart only compares fare revenue per route with estimated operating cost for each route (cost of fuel, aircraft, overhead etc). It doesn't take into account any subsidy paid by Stobart (or Cardiff Airport, or whoever) - how could it? So it could be that the SEN routes are profitable for flyBE, just that the profit is not coming from the fare revenue...

DC3 Dave 16th Nov 2018 18:26

Fare revenue to whom?

Cyrano 16th Nov 2018 18:31


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10313115)
Fare revenue to whom?

Fare revenue to the airline, based on the (estimated) average fare charged to the punters. The guys making the chart know that x,000 passengers flew from A to B in September. Their system crawls over the web booking engine on a regular basis from a few months out looking at how much the fare is for all the dates in September. They make some assumptions about the booking curve, i.e. how many people book how long before the flight on which days (and this is where the biggest inaccuracies come in). This lets them estimate roughly how much revenue the airline gets from selling tickets.

AirportPlanner1 16th Nov 2018 22:21

The SEN data I would assume fails to take into account ancillary income from car parking and terminal spend which I would imagine to be considerable. For sure it’s loss making, but not as extreme as made out

LTNman 17th Nov 2018 00:01

Still not a great to be bottom of the list. Are Flybe SEN routes all new? I have totally lost the plot with Southend. Are Flybe routes actually Stobart Air routes?

AirportPlanner1 17th Nov 2018 07:05


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10313310)
Still not a great to be bottom of the list. Are Flybe SEN routes all new? I have totally lost the plot with Southend. Are Flybe routes actually Stobart Air routes?

Yes they are all Stobart Air routes. I don’t think any were new in 2018 but all E195 routes from 2017 that carried on did considerably better in terms of loads. The ATR routes also tick over nicely and it’s these which will continue except MAN which is going, to be replaced by 2x daily Rennes (currently op by the E195) and Newquay. MAN hasn’t been the total disaster though many thought it would, there were 49 for example on board my flight last week. Loads have been variable though, my 15 flights have ranged from 10 to 65.

SWBKCB 17th Nov 2018 07:32


Still not a great to be bottom of the list.
Jesus - lets take some figures derived by a simplistic methodology, ignore any caveats and use them out of context to draw conclusions.

I might as well be at work :sad:

Sharklet_321 20th Nov 2018 04:28

Any fool can fill an aircraft. Load factor means sod-all.

tophat27dt 20th Nov 2018 06:58


Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 (Post 10315208)
Any fool can fill an aircraft. Load factor means sod-all.

Very true but I hope by now everyone knows that.

Expressflight 20th Nov 2018 07:11

The based EZY fleet mix has changed slightly recently and now comprises 2 x A319 and 2 x A320ceo. An A320neo will arrive in a few days but I don't know if that is a permanent replacement for one of the A320ceo.

DC3 Dave 22nd Nov 2018 09:50

I read on another thread that Flybe are dropping NQY-LGW next year, choosing LHR instead.

Any pluses or minuses for SEN-NQY?


All times are GMT. The time now is 00:53.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.