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BAladdy 2nd Jan 2018 19:03


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10008113)
why would you bother just with 1 rotation on Sat? Surely there's time to operate at least 1 other somewhere?

I thought the same when I saw that it was doing the one rotation on the Saturday. It could rotation in on a Sunday am maybe the early LHR rotation

BAladdy 2nd Jan 2018 19:29


Originally Posted by Richard Taylor (Post 10001812)
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/...ends-schedule/

Confirmation now in the local press:

i. Eastern E170 replacing the DHC8 on the LCY route;
ii. new early morning KOI-ABZ rotation 2w (Wed/Thu) wef 10Jan.

Looks like the E70 operating the the LCY and BHD route is only a temporary thing as flights from 25MAR are showing as being operated by a DHC8.

Richard Taylor 3rd Jan 2018 16:45

Donald Milne
 
Donald Milne dead: Rally champion who was Colin McRae's mentor dies in horror air crash after plane collides with helicopter - Mirror Online

There is a historical Aberdeen connection to this tragic fatality in Spain the other day.

Donald Milne ran Apex Tubulars, & I recall he had a Hughes or the use of one (N252JP) that he used to fly between Banchory & Apex T in Altens in the 80s. I think I have a pic of it on the apron at what was the Hawk Hangar in the 90s.

He also flew Cessna 425 N425TV which also lived on that side of the airfield. I recall his wheels-up landing too that the article mentions.

He also had a military plane (Jet Provost?) but I cannot recall if it ever made an appearance at Dyce.

Clearly an all-action guy that loved life .

CaptainDoony 8th Jan 2018 21:33

Geneva
 
Would appear EasySwiss must be happy with the Geneva performance this year as they have made a late addition to the schedule with it now extended into April with twice weekly evening departures.

I do believe loads have been considerably higher than last year - the Wednesday flight really struggled last year - one rotation last January had just 20 pax

canberra97 8th Jan 2018 21:58

EasyJet Swiss have made the same extension to several other routes to Geneva from the United Kingdom including Bournemouth and their recent addition of Southampton so it's not just Aberdeen that's seeing the season extended into April.

simfly 9th Jan 2018 00:00

Not at work at the airport this week, but I believe there's a sikorsky sky crane been operating in the Keith area helping with wind farm stuff. Hope someone gets some snaps..

Heathrow Harry 9th Jan 2018 09:30

https://www.pprune.org/spectators-ba...l#post10014265

Richard Taylor 9th Jan 2018 16:33

Nov passenger figures - upward trend continues
 
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/...-city-airport/

Obviously some routes will be better than others, but encouraging overall nevertheless.

Think that Skycrane lives on site for the duration of its contract, rather than overnighting at ABZ. Would make for an interesting movement for sure.

fjencl 9th Jan 2018 17:35

Does anybody have the full list of TUI routes and what days they are operating out of ABZ this summer..........thanks .

A320.b744 9th Jan 2018 17:59

Corfu (CFU) - Friday
Dalaman (DLM) - Thursday
Ibiza (IBZ) - Wednesday
Gran Canaria (LPA) - Monday
Palma de Mallorca (PMI) - Monday, Tuesday, Saturday
Reus (REU) - Sunday
Tenerife South (TFS) - Sunday

CaptainDoony 16th Jan 2018 10:13

Rumour circulating that Frankfurt is dropped from the end of the Winter season.

Still bookable but the source is certain that it is a goner.

Hopefully KLM & AF can do something if it is the case.

Facts R Us 16th Jan 2018 21:36

FRA
 
See post #50.

Richard Taylor 17th Jan 2018 06:10

Not sure how much of a shock it is really though. I was surprised when LH dropped FRA-SVG due to the downturn that the ABZ route didn't follow at the same time. Fair play to LH for trying everything to maintain it but if the demand is no longer there.......

One wonders how long some of the other routes (KEF, CPH) will last.

Richard Taylor 17th Jan 2018 17:51

Wings for Warriors
 
Something a wee bit different anyway, if it gets off the ground so to speak...

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...in-north-east/

NorthSouth 18th Jan 2018 12:46

Hmmm, training a tiny niche market of students at an airfield with a solid track record of progressively failing to sustain any sort of ab initio training operation.

Good luck with that one.

NOP 18th Jan 2018 18:43


Originally Posted by CaptainDoony (Post 10021279)
Rumour circulating that Frankfurt is dropped from the end of the Winter season.

Still bookable but the source is certain that it is a goner.

Hopefully KLM & AF can do something if it is the case.

Perhaps Flybe may be interested in it with an Eastern 170? Or could bmi take it over with a 145 and codeshare for LH?

CaptainDoony 18th Jan 2018 20:17

I've done ABZ-FRA a number of times and there has never been more than a handful of FRA terminating pax, always a stream up the escalators to flight connections. BM do BRS-FRA with a LH tie-in but I just can't see anyone taking it up.

Best bet for ABZ is for KLM and AF to go back up to 5x & 3x daily respectively and that will fill the capacity void being created. An extra 737 & E170 daily is all it will take to replace LH (I know that's not quite exactly how it works!)

Porrohman 19th Jan 2018 10:59


Aberdeen sees 85% increase in office space take-up
Source; https://sbnn.co.uk/2018/01/18/aberde...space-take-up/

Hopefully, this will also help Aberdeen Airport.

LGWAlan 19th Jan 2018 12:25

confirmation in writing from LH:

Lufthansa German Airlines has decided to suspend its operations on the route Aberdeen - Frankfurt as from 25 March 2018. The last flight from Aberdeen to Frankfurt will take off from Aberdeen International Airport on that day.

Richard Taylor 20th Jan 2018 10:08

Der Hammer blow
 
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...ankfurt-route/

Made it to the local press. Won't see them again at ABZ. Will we see direct to Germany again?

Richard Taylor 20th Jan 2018 10:11

CHC
 
https://www.offshoreenergytoday.com/...en-facilities/

Some slightly better news on the helicopter front.

Mister Geezer 20th Jan 2018 11:51

Sad to see LH going but I am not not really surprised. I have used them a lot since they started and there seems to have been a gradual decline in demand over time. I have to commend LH on their perseverance after they carried their winter schedule forward into summer last year coupled with the continuation of the E190 in lieu of the 319 but seeing both of these changes was never a good sign. Also having the lunchtime inbound sit on the ground in Aberdeen for a few hours, also prevented that aircraft from being potentially used for an extra sector or two as well, which was never conducive to making it an efficient route. I hope they may return to ABZ one day, as I personally think FRA beats the other hubs hands down and the LH product is very consistent and more than adequate for short haul at least.

AF are also going from three flights a day to two for Summer 2018.

My crude maths makes that around 270 less seats in total.

CaptainDoony 20th Jan 2018 14:17

Air France were twice daily last summer so the same on a like for like basis. They only returned to three daily for this Winter.

And, to add to a truly disastrous week for ABZ, BMI are binning the NWI route effective 11/02/18.

What next?

Callum Paterson 20th Jan 2018 14:39

Next? The complete withdraw from a low cost airline using bright pink and purple aircraft flying to Poland.

Richard Taylor 20th Jan 2018 14:40

Hmm... would Loganair look at NWI? Wonder how long before bmi bin ABZ altogether?

Richard Taylor 20th Jan 2018 14:40

Yes, I could see that Callum.

SWBKCB 20th Jan 2018 15:09


Originally Posted by Richard Taylor (Post 10025899)
Hmm... would Loganair look at NWI? Wonder how long before bmi bin ABZ altogether?

As they are in the same group, you'd have thought there would have been a transfer of operator if it was to continue.

Richard Taylor 2nd Feb 2018 20:38

Newcastle... fog on the Tyne
 
ABERDEEN 643 688 -6.54

From the NCL thread & the Dec 2017 stats posted there.

Hardly seems worth it now.

I could actually see domestics being pared right back to London, MAN, BHX, maybe Belfast plus of course the N Isles. The rest could disappear.

CaptainDoony 2nd Feb 2018 21:16

The CAA stats ex-ABZ are hideously unreliable when it comes to flights with stops, in this case the ABZ-NCL continues onto CWL once a day so the figure of 643 is probably ABZ-CWL. NCL reports 1202 (a slight gain)

Same story with MME, ABZ reports 1012 (!), MME reports a more reasonable 2383.

Two figures that aren’t wrong are ALC & AGP, 72% & 70% respectively - very poor - miles below the almost ridiculous 95% RYR December network wide average. At least the first 10 months performance appear to have been good by all accounts. I don’t think January will be great either, I saw a ALC-ABZ sector being punted for €5 a couple of weeks ago!

CaptainDoony 5th Feb 2018 12:42

Loganair Win
 
The last remaining Island bunfight is over, BE/T3 to cease KOI eff 4/3.

Price war to end on Scottish island routes - BBC News

However, ABZ-SYY to increase to twice daily M-F.

fjencl 5th Feb 2018 12:43

What sort of aircraft is used on the ABZ - SYY - ABZ route, are the pax figures high enough to sustain it at twice a day.

NorthSouth 5th Feb 2018 13:04

Jetstream 41

Garioch Flyer 7th Feb 2018 10:55

Norwegian Air Shuttle
 
Hi all,

Anybody hear of potential Norwegian coming to the ABZ?

Seen the name come up around the airfield.

CaptainDoony 7th Feb 2018 19:30

We periodically hear rumours with Jet2 and ABZ, obviously nothing has ever come of it. What side of the fence is the rumour on?

Garioch Flyer 8th Feb 2018 07:38

The rumour is airside currently.

fjencl 9th Feb 2018 15:29

How many based SAAB 2000's does eastern airways have at Aberdeen and what routes do they operate them on.

Richard Taylor 12th Feb 2018 14:02

Jan 2018 v Jan 2017
 
(from Evening Express website):

Aberdeen Airport saw a 6.4% rise in passengers last month, compared with January 2017 – recording a total of 220,427 travellers.
The rise came as a result of an 8.8% increase in domestic traffic and a 10.8% increase in international traffic thanks in part to the popularity of winter sun routes.
Helicopter traffic decreased by 11.1% compared with January 2017.
Aberdeen’s managing director Carol Benzie said: “Starting 2018 with these encouraging figures, we are now looking forward to the launch of two new leisure routes in the coming months, Malta and Reus, which, we hope, will be as well received and popular as our existing route offerings.”

fjencl: Not sure how many based S2000s there are at ABZ. Going by previous oil industry requirements there were usually 3 aircraft + one spare but not sure what it's like these days... I'm going back to the days of British Airferries when it used to be 3 Viscounts!! Plus a 2nd ATR72-600 is due this month (if it hasn't already arrived to join the other one) so that will take over some of the S2000 flying duties. Elsewhere, they can pop up on the network at any time but usually on NWI, but that may be about to change now bmi have pulled out of the route & are supposed to be wet-leasing an E135/145 (can't remember which) to T3 to operate the route.

Noticeable the international growth is being put down to the sun routes, changed days indeed.

Porrohman 13th Feb 2018 11:04

Out of interest, how has the number of based helicopters and number of helicopter passengers changed over the decades at Aberdeen? Perhaps a chart of these statistics would give a good correlation with the state of health, and illustrate the long-term volatility, of the offshore industry? A comparison with similar statistics from Norway would be interesting.

Have similar trends happened with helicopter traffic from Shetland or have recent oil and gas developments nearer to Shetland resulted in the proportion of traffic from Aberdeen and Shetland shifting North? Or have longer range helicopters negated any such affect?

I'm hoping someone can point me to industry statistics that will objectively quantify some of these issues.

Quite a significant increase in exploration has been forecast by industry experts so perhaps the offshore related traffic from Aberdeen will start to recover, or at least bottom out, this year.

fjencl 13th Feb 2018 14:33

Sunday service Aberdeen - Wick - Aberdeen
 
https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/new...een-wick-route

inOban 13th Feb 2018 15:50

Porrohman

I recall that press releases from the airport have highlighted the fact that the northward shift in exploration underlay the fall in helicopter movements. There should have been a corresponding increase in such flights from the various helicopter bases on Shetland.


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