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ATIS31 25th Nov 2023 19:51

Flights started in April 2022 I thought it was funded on a 3 year deal so would end in March 2025. If flights are stopping after March 2024 has funding been cut ? Advertising has been poor or non existent so no surprise passenger numbers have been poor plus as CabinCrew said they need something to the rental belt for onward connections.

SWBKCB 25th Nov 2023 20:57


Originally Posted by ATIS31 (Post 11545960)
Flights started in April 2022 I thought it was funded on a 3 year deal so would end in March 2025. If flights are stopping after March 2024 has funding been cut ? Advertising has been poor or non existent so no surprise passenger numbers have been poor plus as CabinCrew said they need something to the rental belt for onward connections.

From the article:


Writing to Caithness, Sutherland and Ross MSP Maree Todd (SNP) last month, Ms Hyslop said that passenger numbers using the service remained “significantly below what was projected in the original business case. For the original offer of Scottish Government support in 2021, passenger growth was in reference to these projections with our future funding being dependent on a growth in numbers,” the letter stated.

It added: “You are aware of the significant pressure that the Scottish Government budget faces in future years. Any decision on contributing to the funding of the service beyond 31 March 2024 must be taken in this context, and will also take account of the further information to be provided by Highland Council. That decision will be taken as part of the 2024-25 Budget process.”

Nipper1011 30th Nov 2023 08:09

The problem with any publically-funded route is that the funding body and/or its local advisers can influence the schedule. The Eastern schedule post-PSO has reverted to a Wick-based aircraft. The sad reality is that most of the demand for this route is inbound and therefore does not favour a Wick-based aircraft pattern. Connectivity at Aberdeen, especially with BAW to/from LHR is vital, but not well supported by the current schedule.
There is a lower than average propensity to fly among local Caithness residents. Those few who do need an early departure can drive to Inverness much faster than used to be the case. Most would prefer to leave the day before and overnight at or near their destination to be in position for morning meetings. This route needs a schedule originating in the South and optimised for connections to/from London over Aberdeen. There are pronounced directional peaks at the start and end of the week. This means that the capacity of the aircraft (up to around 30 seats) detemines what the Monday morning northbound and Friday afternoon southbound loads will be. For the remainder of the week, any aircraft that comes close to meeting those demand peaks will fly with a very low average seat factor.
Caithness is, however, a lovely part of the World.

Asturias56 30th Nov 2023 13:43

I suspect the good people of Wick want an early flight out so THEY can connect with the outside world

davidjohnson6 30th Nov 2023 13:46

What happens in winter when the weather turns bad, to both flights at Wick/Aberdeen and the road from Wick to Inverness ? Are both reliably open or is one more vulnerable to weather-related issues ?

Skipness One Foxtrot 30th Nov 2023 14:42

Wick had a long running Loganair connection to EDI for onward connections which was slowly killed by the increase in options out of INV. I would suggest that the return of BA to LHR and KLM offering AMS was a better option for local connectivity than a connection x 2 over EDI. I have flown Eastern's ABZ-WIC-ABZ, I mean being an avgeek, why not? But not sure it's a sensible use of taxpayers money if the market can get to INV most of the time without subsidy and with good options. Of course if that were to change and WIC were to have been closed.....?

ATIS31 30th Nov 2023 20:18

I Think if they could have got flights to the central belt that would have been a better option. The connections you can get from Edinburgh you can go virtually anywhere the USA,Canada and flights with Qatar to Doha and Easyjet offering great European holiday destinations. Aberdeen by comparison has limited connections and is priced to suit business people and oil workers.

SealinkBF 1st Dec 2023 10:54

The other problem is Eastern's complete lack of partners at Aberdeen, so any connecting booking is at passengers own risk. At least Loganair had a codeshare with BA.
I remember many years ago getting a flight from Heathrow to Wick for £69. Those were the days!

SealinkBF 1st Dec 2023 10:55


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11548762)
What happens in winter when the weather turns bad, to both flights at Wick/Aberdeen and the road from Wick to Inverness ? Are both reliably open or is one more vulnerable to weather-related issues ?

The road is much better now but there are snow gates around Helmsdale - can't remember last time they were closed.
But Wick also suffers from dense sea mist in the summer, which affects morning flights. I remember days when you couldn't see you hand at the end of your arm!

davidjohnson6 3rd Feb 2024 09:28

Two months later... has there been any conclusion to the debate about whether there should continue to be a public subsidy for Eastern flying Wick - Aberdeen ? I haven't seen anything in the press and am wondering what the status is... I'm guessing Govt has to give Eastern reasonable notice if subsidy levels are to change

SealinkBF 3rd Feb 2024 09:32


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 11549338)
The road is much better now but there are snow gates around Helmsdale - can't remember last time they were closed.
But Wick also suffers from dense sea mist in the summer, which affects morning flights. I remember days when you couldn't see you hand at the end of your arm!

Well, they were closed last week!

That said, no flights could gave operated anyway!

This is from north of the snow gates...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dd4b72efab.jpg

SealinkBF 23rd Feb 2024 12:28

PSO secured for another year.

Wick to Aberdeen flights to continue after funding secured - BBC News

Transport Scotland confirm funding for Wick- Aberdeen PSO for 2024/25 | The Highland Council

jmdavies86 24th Feb 2024 03:10


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 11602709)
Wick to Aberdeen flights to continue after funding secured - BBC News

A spokesperson said: "The contract to operate the route was primarily designed to support business in the Caithness area and we want to see strong and clear support from local business organisations translate into more passengers.”

The way I read this would seem to suggest that it's the last chance for the PSO funding of the route and if there isn't an increase in patronage, then it likely won't continue beyond 2025.

Anyone know what the passenger loads have been like and/or how Eastern's performance as an operator has been as they've certainly had some reliability issues on other routes?

SealinkBF 24th Feb 2024 11:22


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11603104)
The way I read this would seem to suggest that it's the last chance for the PSO funding of the route and if there isn't an increase in patronage, then it likely won't continue beyond 2025.

Anyone know what the passenger loads have been like and/or how Eastern's performance as an operator has been as they've certainly had some reliability issues on other routes?

Indeed, the news article on the Highland Council page (I have added the link above) states:

" It’s now vitally important that we maintain and increase local support for the PSO route in order that we continue to ensure its future going forward.”

It doesn't really help that Eastern have no codeshare arrangements with other airlines at Aberdeen, so it's basically a point to point service.


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