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davidjohnson6 16th Dec 2021 18:40

Maybe a W route, EDI/ABZ-KOI-WIC-KOI-EDI/ABZ ? :)
Flying time from WIC to KOI is not exactly long...

Keeps the Orkney folk happy, and lets the Wickers know how valued they are... :oh:

Dalcrossflyer 16th Dec 2021 20:02


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11156976)
Maybe a W route, EDI/ABZ-KOI-WIC-KOI-EDI/ABZ ? :)
Flying time from WIC to KOI is not exactly long...

Keeps the Orkney folk happy, and lets the Wickers know how valued they are... :oh:

Pretty sure this wouldn’t be allowed on an PSO route, but never say never :-)

ATIS31 16th Dec 2021 20:10

Given the passenger numbers further back I would of thought an average of 23 passengers on a 30 seat Saab to Edinburgh would be not too bad a load. 10 or so passengers on the Eastern flights to Aberdeen which is about right given the prices they used to charge !

virginblue 19th Dec 2021 10:39


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11156863)
AIS Airlines would also not be permitted to bid for it because it's a UK route and EU-based airlines are no longer allowed to operate domestically within the UK due to Brexit; I do agree though that a Dornier Do-228, BAe Jetstream 31 or DHC-6 Twin Otter would likely be the most suitable aircraft.

Sure, that's why I said "like AIS Airlines". Realistically, if the UK keeps its PSO rules as they are, they will struggle to find anybody. The route obviously is only suited for a 20 seater operation - maybe a larger aircraft would work, but probably not for an airline operating at UK cost levels. It would require a cheaper Eastern European outfit like RAF Avia, Budapest Air Services, NyxAir or Transaviabaltika etc. They do quite a few PSOs in Sweden and Finland where there are no longer suitable local carriers.

Dalcrossflyer 23rd Dec 2021 12:32


Originally Posted by NickBarnes (Post 11156801)
Having worked for Loganair when they ran this route from Edinburgh, the loads were very woeful then at times hence why it went, I'd have a feeling not even with the funding they would be that interested.

Over recent times Loganair start and stop routes willy nilly. With Wick having been a solid base for decades I'm sure they can swallow their pride, carry out a PSO contract and serve the people of The North. (Even loganair aren't that daft and surely will be tempted with the dangling cash carrot)

bad bear 27th Jan 2022 15:23

I guess if anyone expressed interest in running flights from Wick there would be a press release of some sort. Given the closing date was 8 weeks ago it can't be looking good ? in fairness even Inverness is desperately quiet. how long does an airport continue without passengers ?

davidjohnson6 27th Jan 2022 17:04

I have sent an email as per the details on the Public Contracts Scotland website asking for details of whether there were any suitable bids and the intended contract awarding under Freedom of Information law. I would encourage others to do the same to put a bit of pressure for transparency on Aberdeen City Council or Highland Council
As an aide-memoire, the public request for bids is at
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=OCT429822

Freedom of Information law in Scotland is discussed at
https://www.itspublicknowledge.info/...gislation.aspx
https://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/med...requesters.pdf

davidjohnson6 28th Jan 2022 13:14

Done a bit of digging - been told there was at least one bid, and an announcement will be made next week, probably Tuesday
I hope HIAL have booked a big enough conference room for all the journalists who will want to attend

Richard Taylor 28th Jan 2022 14:25


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11176558)
Done a bit of digging - been told there was at least one bid, and an announcement will be made next week, probably Tuesday
I hope HIAL have booked a big enough conference room for all the journalists who will want to attend

It'll be live from outside the John O'Groats sign! :}

davidjohnson6 1st Feb 2022 14:28

Contract evaluation to continue until second half of February. Public announcement might be made in February... or might be delayed further

davidjohnson6 17th Feb 2022 14:27

Announcement now due on Monday 28 February, with first flight on Monday 04 April

ATIS31 17th Feb 2022 20:54

Any Idea who has taken it on ?

fjencl 23rd Feb 2022 09:35

It's Eastern Airways
 
Scheduled flights restart from Wick John O’ Groats Airport with year-round air link between Caithness and Aberdeen secured in new deal | The Highland Council


Atlantic Explorer 23rd Feb 2022 10:28

Oh dear. They managed to kill the route before, they now have even less operational aircraft. Can’t see this ending well.

ATIS31 23rd Feb 2022 10:51


Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer (Post 11188667)
Oh dear. They managed to kill the route before, they now have even less operational aircraft. Can’t see this ending well.

At least the price is more sensible now

inOban 23rd Feb 2022 11:37

The price to the PAX or the price to the the taxpayer?

SealinkBF 23rd Feb 2022 11:41


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11188704)
The price to the PAX or the price to the the taxpayer?

Ouch :8 From John O' Groat Journal: It will be funded by £1 million from Transport Scotland and £300,000 a year from Highland Council.

Flights start at £39.99 each way, with up to three per day. And a Sunday service. This is better than the previous service. A shame onward connectivity to say, BA is missing.

davidjohnson6 23rd Feb 2022 15:03

The contract for Wick-Edinburgh flights was not able to be awarded. It might be readvertised at a later date

inOban 23rd Feb 2022 15:07

There is an arguable need for the Aberdeen service as there will be some NHS patients who need to access services in Aberdeen which aren't available in Inverness. Not sure about Edinburgh.

davidjohnson6 17th Mar 2022 17:15

Eastern will be paid £ 4,296,449.00 for flying the Aberdeen-Wick route over 3 years. Any VAT (if it exists) is extra
Apart from Eastern, there was one other (unnamed) bidder - it was not from an EU member state, so the other bidder is presumably a UK airline
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=MAR442915

Assuming 12 round trips per week, this comes to £1,150 of subsidy per one way flight

AirportPlanner1 17th Mar 2022 19:19

It would have to be a UK airline, or have a G reg, to be able to fly it.

ATIS31 17th Mar 2022 21:20


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11201478)
Eastern will be paid £ 4,296,449.00 for flying the Aberdeen-Wick route over 3 years. Any VAT (if it exists) is extra
Apart from Eastern, there was one other (unnamed) bidder - it was not from an EU member state, so the other bidder is presumably a UK airline
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=MAR442915

Assuming 12 round trips per week, this comes to £1,150 of subsidy per one way flight


I thought it was £4 million over 4 years not 3 years ?

davidjohnson6 17th Mar 2022 21:28

The original notice requesting bids can be found at:
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=OCT429822
This mentions:
Duration in months: 36
This contract is subject to renewal: Yes
Description of renewals:
An extension for a period of up to 12 Months is possible.

Maybe it is 4 years...in which case the subsidy is £860 per one way flight

Atlantic Explorer 18th Mar 2022 08:43

So is Eastern setting a local base again or using nightstopping crews?

Fletch 18th Mar 2022 10:17


Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer (Post 11201771)
So is Eastern setting a local base again or using nightstopping crews?

It looks like it's done with an Aberdeen based aircraft flying ABZ-WIC-ABC so i'm guessing neither. A shame for the crew as the food in Mackays Hotel was very good.

jmdavies86 18th Mar 2022 10:57


Originally Posted by Fletch (Post 11201802)
It looks like it's done with an Aberdeen based aircraft flying ABZ-WIC-ABC...

Incorrect; the aircraft will be stationed overnight at WIC from Sunday to Tuesday in order to provide an early morning flight to ABZ, departing at 7.20am.

ScottishAviator 20th Mar 2022 12:35


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11201826)
Incorrect; the aircraft will be stationed overnight at WIC from Sunday to Tuesday in order to provide an early morning flight to ABZ, departing at 7.20am.

I assume you meant Sunday to Thursday

LGWAlan 21st Mar 2022 13:15


Originally Posted by ScottishAviator (Post 11202743)
I assume you meant Sunday to Thursday

Nope - Sunday to Tuesday - the 0720 T3 560 flight only operates Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday - the other days morning flight is 1040:

1 T3 560 123 WIC ABZ 0720 0800 0 25APR22 26OCT22 J41 0:40
2 T3 561 X67 WIC ABZ 1040 1120 0 18APR22 28OCT22 J41 0:40
3 T3 564 7 WIC ABZ 1550 1630 0 17APR22 23OCT22 J41 0:40
4 T3 568 345 WIC ABZ 1750 1830 0 27APR22 28OCT22 J41 0:40

1 T3 562 X67 ABZ WIC 0930 1010 0 18APR22 28OCT22 J41 0:40
2 T3 563 7 ABZ WIC 1440 1520 0 17APR22 23OCT22 J41 0:40
3 T3 567 X67 ABZ WIC 1640 1720 0 11APR22 28OCT22 J41 0:40
4 T3 567 7 ABZ WIC 1740 1820 0 01MAY22 23OCT22 J41 0:40

Fletch 21st Mar 2022 19:15


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11201826)
Incorrect; the aircraft will be stationed overnight at WIC from Sunday to Tuesday in order to provide an early morning flight to ABZ, departing at 7.20am.

Apologies, I didn't really there was this variation in flights.

Link Kilo 24th Mar 2022 17:10

Job going to "Manage, co-ordinate and support the new Wick John O Groats Public Service Obligation (PSO) contract, which is until 31 March 2025".

https://www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/cou...se-wick-266520

davidjohnson6 10th Apr 2022 23:21

Has the cake been delivered, journalists coming for the press conference and fire service ready for a water salute ?

SealinkBF 11th Apr 2022 19:39

There wasn't even a press release from HIAL, although according to Twitter passengers were treated to free whisky from Old Pulteney.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0df1aaf56c.jpg


Asturias56 12th Apr 2022 08:50

Whisky not Whiskey

caSeSenSitive 12th Apr 2022 09:01

i often flew a couple of Plutomium rods from Dounray to Abington. Single pilot with only a BNFL policeman and his coffee flask sat on the one remaining seat at the back of a Bandit. Contract said to be at Dounray first thing , had to hang around in the middle of winter till 0930 when the office chaps/esses opened up. Director of BNFL then signed over the afore mentioned rods to a 22 year old to take charge of them flying single pilot down the spine of the UK… Guess that isn’t SOP now?

SealinkBF 12th Apr 2022 16:19


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11214100)
Whisky not Whiskey

You'd best tell the person who tweeted if you feel that strongly about it.

SealinkBF 14th Apr 2022 23:19


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11213577)
Has the cake been delivered, journalists coming for the press conference and fire service ready for a water salute ?

Looks like there was a water salute. From Twitter: (@WickSnapper)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....646caf7166.jpg


Richard Taylor 15th Apr 2022 05:37

Can't imagine there could have been many water salutes for a JE41 on a service f/t ABZ :O

Link Kilo 25th Nov 2023 16:27


'Fight on our hands' to save Wick-Aberdeen flights, claim MSPs​​​
https://www.northern-times.co.uk/new...aim-ms-333981/

CabinCrewe 25th Nov 2023 18:52

It needs GLA or EDI to try and make this work again.
Lovely area and nice little airport when I was last through.
Eastern maybe not my first choice of carrier.

davidjohnson6 25th Nov 2023 19:02

Reading the news article, it sounds like Wick-Aberdeen flights will definitely operate until 31 March 2024... but no guarantee at all for April 2024. Is this a fair interpretation of the situation or have I made 2+2=5 ?


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