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737Jock 10th Dec 2014 18:25

A380 to be discontinued?
 
Airbus Raises Prospect of Ditching A380 as Orders Vanish - Bloomberg


Airbus Group NV (AIR) raised the prospect of discontinuing its A380 superjumbo as soon as 2018, the first admission that it may have misjudged the market for the double-decker after failing to find a single airline buyer this year.

While Airbus will break even on the plane in 2015, 2016 and 2017, that outlook doesn’t hold for 2018, forcing the company to either offer new engines to make the A380 more attractive or discontinue the program, Chief Financial Officer Harald Wilhelm told investors at a meeting in London today.

His comments come as 2014 shapes up to be the first since the doubledecker entered service without a new airline customer. Its only buyer was a leasing company that has yet to line up a single carrier to take any of the 20 planes it ordered. The backlog remains as thin as it is fragile, highlighted by the cancellation of six jets ordered by Japan’s Skymark Airlines Inc. (9204), with two close to handover.

In its seventh year in operation, the aircraft that cost $25 billion to develop threatens to become a costly misstep. While popular with travelers, most carriers prefer smaller twin-jet models that are more fuel efficient and can access more airports. Emirates is the only stand-out sponsor, having ordered 140 units, while other airlines have either backed off or are struggling to fill the two decks of the jumbo.

Order Boom

“It’s an excellent plane but it only works for the right destinations,” said Air France-KLM (AF) Group Chief Executive Officer Alexandre de Juniac, who aims to cancel the last two of a dozen A380s on ordered and swap them for smaller models.

Chris Buckley, Airbus’s Executive Vice President, Europe, Asia and Pacific, said the company has been “at fault” in the way it marketed the aircraft, letting carriers customise the interiors in whatever way rather than pushing the high-density credentials of the double-decker.

The four-engine wide-body airliner is a rarity, after Airbus killed its A340. Boeing Co. (BA) said yesterday that it will cut back production of its 747 jumbo.

Emirates President Tim Clark is pushing Airbus to upgrade the A380’s engines to improve fuel efficiency, a move Airbus is resisting because the cost of doing so doesn’t match demand for the plane. Keeping the plane unchanged may mean running down the backlog and eventually shutting down production, now at just under 30 a year, analysts said.

‘A Pity’

“Airbus will be obliged to make a decision one way or the other in 2015,” said Yan Derocles, an analyst at Oddo Securities in Paris, who estimates an engine upgrade may cost Airbus 2 billion euros ($2.47 billion) because of work required on the wing.

An engine upgrade would take about four years, according to Derocles. The A380 now comes with a choice of engines either by Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc (RR/) or a joint venture between General Electric Co. (GE) and United Technologies Corp.’s Pratt & Whitney.

The A380’s lackluster demand contrasts with a boom in orders for other models. Airbus’s bestseller remains its A320 family of single-aisle jets, which it made even more popular by offering new engines. The same concept added momentum to the A330 wide-body jet.

The all-new A350, a twin-engine long-range wide-body plane made of advanced light-weigh materials, has almost 800 orders before its first handover.

‘A Pity’

Airbus has won orders for 318 of the jumbos. That’s a fraction of the 1,200 it thought airlines needed in that size category when it started marketing in 2000. Emirates accounts for 40 percent of the order book, while airlines including Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd., Hong Kong Aviation and Air Austral are increasingly unlikely to ever take their planes.

Japan and China, originally seen by Airbus as key markets for the A380, have been disappointments, with only one Chinese airline taking 5 units. Boeing’s 747-8i, the only rival, has fared even worse, winning 51 orders from four airlines.

“It’s a pity,” Clark, the Emirates president, said of the A380 “It’s a very big cash generator for us. I just open the doors and the people come.”

Emirates has been successful with its fleet of A380s because the airline uses its Dubai hub as a central point from where to connect major routes around the globe with just one stop. The A380 is also popular on capacity-restricted airports such as London Heathrow, while many smaller airfields lack the infrastructure to accommodate the plane.

Richard Aboulafia, vice president at the Teal Group and longtime critic of the plane, said the new large twin-engine planes coming to the market will be the death of the A380.

“I don’t think it lasts more than a few years into the next decade,” he said of the A380. “The quicker they let go, the quicker they can devote themselves to marketing efforts on other products.”

Seems like its bye, bye A380. Aircraft is old before it lived a decade. Massive failure if they need to stop production, guess boeing was right regarding point-to-point.

Basil 10th Dec 2014 18:57


“It’s an excellent plane but it only works for the right destinations,”
Stating the obvious for any aircraft. or truck, or ship.

Sir George Cayley 10th Dec 2014 18:57

Cheap deal for EZY and RYR?

littco 10th Dec 2014 20:53

Boeing win again?!

Una Due Tfc 10th Dec 2014 21:19

I think they both lost. B748 wasn't cheap to develop either, and has been an even bigger flop. A350 and 77x are what have killed the 4 holers, so at least it was their own aircraft that killed off the big birds

boeing_eng 10th Dec 2014 23:00

The ghastly 10 abreast economy seating now becoming common on the 777 is why airline bean counters favour the type so much!

Metro man 11th Dec 2014 00:20

Perhaps the A380 is the right aircraft at the wrong time. In ten years, fuel prices and slot availability could be completely different and the A380 could have been the right aircraft.

ItsMeFromEarth 11th Dec 2014 02:57

This is what happens because Lagardere ordered the A3XX project simply because he wanted to have a bigger one

flying apprentice 11th Dec 2014 03:43

Might be harsh, but for me, I will see it as serving airbus right for their part in pulling the plug on Concorde. :)

Andu 11th Dec 2014 04:38

This would have a rather drastic effect on the economy of southern France, wouldn't it?

ATC Watcher 11th Dec 2014 05:55

No, I think the space and the workers would be immediately moved to the future planned production lines. It is the prospect of recruitment for A350 production that will could be affected. So less growth in long term , and only perhaps.

But things can change rapidly , with cheap fuel coming around ,and the mega Gulf airports coming to life shortly, it is perhaps a bit too early to bury the beast yet.

wiggy 11th Dec 2014 06:08


This would have a rather drastic effect on the economy of southern France, wouldn't it?
No, and there's certainly no panic locally since contrary to popular belief EADs aren't the only high tech employer in and around Toulouse.

It's been obvious for a while that the A380 production rate had plateaued and many of the sub-contractors have already moved on to other things, also as ATC watcher has said, there's 350 production to consider. A quick glance at the Airbus ramp at Blagnac these days usually reveals maybe one or two 380s at most but a lot more of their twin engined stuff ..

ian16th 11th Dec 2014 06:09

It is all the fault of ETOPS.

ETOPS 11th Dec 2014 06:49

I'm so very sorry :{ :ouch:

ACMS 11th Dec 2014 08:18

Wouldn't all the current operators love that? It would increase the value of their Aircraft wouldn't it?

wiggy 11th Dec 2014 08:39


It would increase the value of their Aircraft wouldn't it?

Only if there were buyers out there who wanted second hand A380s.

172driver 11th Dec 2014 08:53

The figures for the Boeing 747-8 are not entirely correct, as they omit the freighter version, which seems to be selling OK(ish). Reference here. Not exactly a money-spinner either, though.

MrDK 11th Dec 2014 09:46

Just wait till the big bomb drops when Emirates cancels a large number ... like the 50 that yet does not have an engine type specified (read wanting neo).

illusion 11th Dec 2014 10:00

Not only are accountants renouned for lack of personality but this one knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing :mad:

Is the guillotine still available for an employee who talks down one of the biggest investments in aviation history?

Dan Winterland 11th Dec 2014 10:05

It means more pilot jobs!


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