how do some of those Euro/German routes ever survive ? are the 30 pax paying premium fares?
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Load Factors
CabinCrewe
Some of the routes do hit the extremes such as Milan with extremely low load factors during a couple of the winter months but good load factors in Spring and Summer and I assume flybe are prepared to ride the winter storm. Brussels and Dusseldorf have been quoted as the most profitable of BHX routes due to a reasonable amount of last minute high-yielding fares. Stuttgart is more of a mystery as flybe they have changed the times and in January even reducedi it to six a week and load factors have not improved. As for fares/yield on this service I have no idea but considering flybe has swung the axe elsewhere and this survives (thus far) would indicate that there is more to this route than meets the eye. Pete |
Load factors
Islamabad seems rather low with 55% load factor. Emirates pretty steady. But the snow was definitely a factor.
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Passeneger loads v Yield
CabinCrewe wrote
how do some of those Euro/German routes ever survive ? are the 30 pax paying premium fares? Even the split between business and economy can be misleading as fully flexible, last minute economy passengers can be paying more than business class fares on the same flight. Flybe Stuttgart must be attracting lots of last minute, flexible bookings (as it did with Maersk/Duo/Bacon.) If not I'm sure it would have faced the chop by now. However, I agree with OP that the change to the schedule for BHX-STR could be the final nail in the coffin for this flight with no long day in STR now.:confused: Maybe BMIR with their ER4/ER3 aircraft that would be more suited to BHX-STR? :} BTW OP I do love to read your route analysis!! :ok: Daza |
Maybe BMIR with their ER4/ER3 aircraft that would be more suited to BHX-STR In fact, it would have probably have been a better bet for BMIR to go head to head with Flybe than Lyon, giving business friendly timings. |
Turkmenistan flights
Just a quick question, when Turkmenistan operate the 737's into BHX do they have to make a tech stop? And if so, where?
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Just a quick question, when Turkmenistan operate the 737's into BHX do they have to make a tech stop? And if so, where? |
The T5 738's don't tech stop, no need.
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Turkmenistan operates 4x a week, with different times. They've all operated lately with the B738 as opposed to the more usual B752, info below and the most recent date they operated.
T5 429/430 - Sundays (17/2) T5 411/412 - Mondays (18/2) T5 421/422 - Wednesdays (20/2) T5 425/426 - Fridays (22/2) Cheers Tom |
They've all operated lately with the B738 as opposed to the more usual B752. |
Was a rumour a while back that Air Algerie were to start BHX with B738's in March - any update?
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There is a lovely Air Algeria A330 at Manchester at the moment
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Monarch MUC
Was originally booked on Thursdays ZB BHX-MUC. A while ago this flight was cancelled and I accepted rebooking onto Friday's flight. Ca 35 pax in A321.
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T5/AH/ZB
T5 - How does the 738 and 757 compare on seats, I would have thought the 738 to be less? I hope this isn't a sign that they are struggling on their BHX route
AH - no update and I should imagine that's how that will stay as I very much doubt it was even intended to operate ZB - ouch, surely MUC can't go on much longer if circa 35 is indicative of loads. Something like a summer NAP or VLC and a winter SZG or INN would surely be a better year round use of an aircraft than MUC for ZB? |
AH
Out of interest took a look at AH website to see just where they fly. As you would expect a large number of flights to France and Spain plus a few others like LHR, AMS, FRA, MXP, FCO and GVA. LHR is served four times a week. Other than that, some West and North African cities, Medinah, Dubai, Beijing and Montreal. I really can't see BHX being added to this collection.
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T5/ZB/BE/QS
GF
T5 - not got the exact figures but 171 for the 738 and around 190 for the 757 or it used to be. Pax have been on the decline but only slightly and the 738 is probably big enough. ZB - very noticeable that Munich is not bookable yet next winter. I agree a mix of SZG and INN would be a better bet. The GNB figures seem reasonable although easy are on the route and if it is anything like GVA it will be fairly full. Daza - cheers did hope to have the December domestic loads but the punctuality stats are not out! Stuttgart out tomorrow back Thursday was listed at £600 plus. Wouldn't take many at that price to ease the worries. Hannover in summer has moved to a 13.00 departure back at 17.35 and if STR stayed at daily daytime if would be one less aircraft based but no sign of that yet. Travel Service still listed as three flights a week based times - very odd. Pete |
Berlin
Glad to see BHX survive the cutbacks; normally when airlines start cancelling and reducing services we always seem to be top of the list.
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Re LH Berlin: In BHX LH doesn't need to compete with the likes of Easyjet (MAN-SXF)...
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Berlin
Geat news that this has survived (for now) the route cull by LH at TXL. I should imagine LH have had to completely revise their Berlin ops with the delayed opening of new airport and Germanwings. TXL quite simply can't cope with the massive increase in flights from LH last year, when I have been there it can at best be described as 'overcrowded'.
I have flown this route from BHX on numerous occasions since it started and fares have nearly always been higher than from MAN for dates I have travelled, with Economy Saver fares nearly always being available from MAN but not from BHX. Is it too simplistic to assume that LH are getting better yields from BHX as there is no other direct competitor on the route? Flights from BHX I have been on have tended to be full, although admittedly I haven't flown there since Nov and I have seen from published stats that loads have not been quite as spectacular as over the summer. I for one really hope this route survives as for me it's very useful indeed |
Monarch MUC cancelled
last Monarch service BHX-MUC 22APR.
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Not in the least bit surprised that MON have dropped MUC; it always stood out as a bit of an oddball choice and I don't think any of us on here thought the route had much of a future. I'm not even sure what kind of market they were aiming for? I'd be interested to see if they drop MAN-MUC too as the competition is even greater. Let's hope they can find a better use for the aircraft.
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Monarch
They have, Barcelona.
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Monarch
chinapattern
Munich and Milan were disappointing choices and I am sure BHX, flybe and Lufthansa will be pleased, as much as it pains me to say I don't think there there is room for competition on these routes at the present time especially with 174/214 seat aircraft. Monarch have acted swiftly with Barcelona now daily from May although with FR that makes that route 11 a week with FR plus 3 x REU and 2 x GRO. The annual high-season night Tenerife by Monarch on a Tuesday is back. This aircraft possibly operates BHX 0635 GIB, 14.10 ALC, TFS 21.35 back at 07.10 Wednesday out 08.10 Bordeaux with a turnaround to Split 13.55 arriving back 20.20 but it does get the night off. High season now sees night-flights IBZ Thu-Mon, PMI & AGP FRI-SUN. A clear increase in utilisation. I still think a 10th aircraft would have been on the cards if they could have sourced it with still Corfu shown as an IT, Rhodes on Thomson for Avro and Malaga could easily have been double daily every day. August is getting better but will still be well down with four BMI 733's been replaced by one extra Monarch plus a slight increase in seats (Nice was 149 last year). Does anyone know the 320/321 split for Monarch at BHX - dummy bookings the last time I checked was 4 x 321 and 5 x 320 but the fleet additions are 5 x 321's and 3 x A320. Pete |
MUC
@OltonPete - agree that Monarch is not the right competitor for BHX-MUC, due to too large aircraft and absolutely no brand in Germany.
I could imagine Easyjet with 4/7 or 5/7 evening flights and less last minute schedule reductions. All this schedule thinning made it a far safer choice to book LH. Flybe - BHX-HAJ now with E175 for Sat/Sun during summer, rather than Dash8 and E195. |
Mon BHX Fleet 2013
Appears to be 4 A321 and 5 A320 but that could change!
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that makes 9 a321 then see prev post.
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that makes 9 a321 then see prev post. |
Correct, just spotted my error, Definitely 4 A321 and 4 A320 the 9th aircraft is showing as an A320 but there is talk it will instead be an extra A321.
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LH at BHX
Looks as if LH are pleased with their services from Birmingham it would appear that Birmingham experienced the biggest growth at any of their UK bases.
Source Birmingham Post http://www.birminghampost.net/birmin...5233-32917086/ Good news :ok: Daza |
Not a surprise about having the largest LH growth in the UK - given LH's takeover of HAM (kicking out BE) and the successful introduction of TXL.
Having said that, considering LH Group, LX from BHX is down, SN (I think?) is down. Commercially it must be an attractive market for LH, given there is no competition on any of the routes, other than on BHX-DUS (and ignoring ZB's intermezzo on MUC). From LHR (LON) and MAN they have the joyful company of BA, U2, ZB, AB to Germany... |
Heard a rumor on another forum that due to the B787 issues, Qatar will not be launching BHX until at least Q2 2014.
They have also had to downsize their yet to be launched Chicago flights too, from daily to 3 weekly. |
That will fit nicely with the opening of the runway extension then. PR sorted.
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Alicante FR
Alicante increases for August to 9x Weekly. Double daily on Wednesdays and Saturdays
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Planeaddict.
Qatar never set a starting date anyway for a BHX service, their boss just said they would be starting Birmingham.So not sure where the infos from that they have put the date back :confused: Since then they have launched 10 new routes and put starting dates on all of those, that puts things into perspective where we are at. Nigel |
Ryanair
Jonnyf
Alicante is 9 weekly from 31/3/2013 and has been for a while. The August extras thus far are a Friday Faro and Saturday Malaga, quite pathetic compared to EMA. Pete |
The August extras thus far are a Friday Faro and Saturday Malaga, quite pathetic compared to EMA. However, BHX does have more FR this year with the new BCN, BGY and the continuation of the KRK route. It's good to see that FR can maintain these routes at both BHX and EMA, unlike in the north-west where some routes like BGY, CIA and RIX have been axed from LPL and now go from MAN instead (which personally I prefer, but Liverpudlians are probably not so happy.) |
A321s can operate to GIB.
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FR/ZB/Movements
FRatSTN
No need to worry on that score if passenger charges remain similar at both airports. Certainly a pretty impressive FR August schedule at East Mids. It is a good operation between both airports. Monarch Hangar Went past today and some structure has gone up already! Movements Tuesday even in March can be a little quiet but with priority freight flights and East Mids diversions it was a busy day. Cello's second aircraft was registered yesterday as well although yet to fly commercially yet. Pete |
MANAGP
Yes they can, but the load restrictions would be horrendous. :ugh:
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Few extra charters for Birmingham this summer:
Small Planet will be operating to Corfu on Mondays, Heraklion on Tuesdays, Rhodes on Wednesdays, Zante on Thursdays, Skiathos on Fridays, Larnaca on Saturdays and Paphos on Sundays. |
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