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Airbus321-200 1st Mar 2012 09:19

@propburner - well i understand it's incredibly annoying watching total idiots run an airline ( i have first hand experience ). It was heart breaking watching an airline i worked my backside off for go under due to the decisions of a group of guys more involved in playng the part of management rather than actually managing the company.

Well lets hope your new guy sorts the crap out ( a guy from stobart i think).

Every RE staff member i've met have been top notch!

stab3.5up 1st Mar 2012 13:49

Its never the staff on the coal face.....its always higher up the food chain that causes the problems. nobodies all wanting to be sombodies and mack a quck buck in the proces that have a lot to answer for

Im sure the staff working for malev, spanair, eirjet, jetmagic ,bcal, danair, aireurope, skynet,gilair,communityexprss ,sabena,swissair etc etc all lovely hard working people!!

But i sometimes think thst airlines seem to have a finite existance. they dont live forever and hard as it may sound they may be better off just being put down rather than been floggex to death.

sworder1976 1st Mar 2012 17:12

Serious Problems
 
I can see all 3 points beening made from propburner, airbus and stab. First it was the Head of Fianance, Then the CEO and rumour of the Head of Marketing. No body wants to see an airline fail or more poeple join the live register. However yesterday was a signifcant day. When 8-12 % of you coal face pilots handing in their notice in a 12 hour period. Every Joe Soap on the street love Aer Arann the quirky funky hardworking airline. The majority of the workforce however do not. It also gives an idea of how many are looking to jump ship when the opportunity arises. All staff have been treated poorly in the last few years, From driving round the country in hire cars, to being bullied on the phone asking why people would not work into discretion in the middle of the night. Aer Arann were handed not one but 2 life lines in the past 24 months. 1 The Aer Lingus Regional franchise , Which managment are doing everything in their power it seems to mess up.Mueller has already apologised for there poor performance in Cork. Aer Aranns approach, to this paint older less reliable aircraft green. 2 Examinership, Aer Arann wrote off most of its debt bankrupting some small businesses and owing millions to out of pocket creditors. 18 months later no changes or proper cost cutting mesures have been but in place. Operationally they squander money on a daily bases with no accountability. While the fundamentals like aircraft cleaning get cut. Have you seen how dirty them shamrocks get inside and out? Its like a ryanair product without the punctuality. All the same people remain. This is not an Aer Arann bashing post its to try and open some eyes, And maybe get some people to wake up an smell the coffee. I would prefer to see a few people gone instead of the airline getting in trouble, AGAIN. Mr Brogan your swinging the axe, the jugular is still there, right in front of you.

sawtooth 2nd Mar 2012 02:34

Irish Times confirm RE brand is to cease with announcement of transfer of remaining routes to EIR, DUB-SEN route planned.

Aer Arann to cease flights in its own name - The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 02, 2012

Steviec9 2nd Mar 2012 09:38

Or not. .....yet.......

‘No agreement’ on deal to end flights under Aer Arann brand · TheJournal.ie

j41cac 2nd Mar 2012 13:37

IOM - LCY to go, but why? :ugh:

globetrotter79 2nd Mar 2012 13:41


IOM - LCY to go, but why?

Most likely because:
(a) Aer Lingus have no interest at all in it
(b) The aircraft is required to operate a new DUB-SEN-DUB route which Aer Arann will "need" to operate to satisfy their Stobart shareholder and this probably being the only new thing that Arann could do into SEN that Lingus would be prepared to put their name to

BHD2BFS 2nd Mar 2012 14:13

Could this big announcement on tuesday also include the widely rumoured Belfast base?

mart901 2nd Mar 2012 14:51

The article doesnt say its ending. Its an Irish paper and has detailed routes from Ireland in the article. However, someone from aer arann was interviewed a few months ago and stated the isle of man routes were safe for now - didnt sound terribly long term. Also having a presence at 4 London airports is a bit OTT!

Kinocker 2nd Mar 2012 18:33


Also having a presence at 4 London airports is a bit OTT!
It would actually be five 'London' airports for EI if all routes are kept.

Heathrow - Dublin, Cork, Shannon, Belfast
Gatwick - Dublin, Cork, Knock
Luton - Waterford
Southend - Dublin, Waterford
London City - IOM

I'm guessing that would make them the only airline to fly to five London airports?

mart901 2nd Mar 2012 19:17

All thats needed is a Manston route and they will be away lol!

Aero Mad 2nd Mar 2012 19:47

mart901, you forgot London Oxford and London Ashford :rolleyes:. Please... :)

IslandPilot 2nd Mar 2012 19:53

How appropriate that the Irish Times photo c.2000 shows POC in the cockpit of an Islander! Whatever happens to the RE/EIR brand name, the Aer Arann name continues in the wesht, unfortunately though now downgraded to an ad-hoc charter operation as the sched licence went to RE/EIR

mikkie4 3rd Mar 2012 00:27

for those people in the south east who dont want to travel to gat/hrow the re/eir tie up from sen to dub for a usa connection could be a money maker

airnoc 3rd Mar 2012 11:23

Could this big announcement on tuesday also include the widely rumoured Belfast base?

Where will the extra aircraft come from as there are tight on aircraft to keep the present going due the tech problem they have most days?

AP1995 3rd Mar 2012 12:50

I can remember a while back reading that they was looking at setting up services to Leeds & East Midlands, does anybody know any info on that?

Jack1985 3rd Mar 2012 13:16

Lots of room for expansion
 
Just looking at the RE fleet it consists of the following:

Aer Arann:
3 ATR42-300 (Each based at IOM, KIR and WAT)

Aer Lingus Regional:
2 ATR72-200
4 ATR72-500

Three aircraft (1 ATR42-300 and 2 ATR72-200) are used for tech duties/leasing. EI-SLM which was involved in the Shannon incident last July has been repaired but remains stored.

If we look at the proposed streamlining of all Aer Arann operations into Aer Lingus Regional and the expected axing of the Isle of Man route to London-City then the fleet should look like this (Including already planned Aer Lingus Regional expansion in May):

Aer Lingus Regional
2 ATR42-300 (KIR, WAT)
3 ATR72-200
4 ATR72-500

This means at total of 2 ATR42-300 and 2 ATR72-200 become available (this time including EI-SLM).

Usually Airline operators keep one aircraft for tech duties, so if that is the expected case 2 ATR42-300 and 1 ATR72-200 would be available for expansion, this could definitely mean a BFS base or more expansion ex DUB, ORK. The proposed Dublin to London Southend route would require another aircraft but that would still mean 2 aircraft are free for expansion with 1 remaining on tech duties.

Looks like there's exciting times ahead for Aer Lingus Regional. :ok:

PlymouthPixie 3rd Mar 2012 14:03

Where is EI-SLM stored, are there any images of it around in this condition?

Jack1985 3rd Mar 2012 15:29

No pictures that i know of, but it has been repaired to my understanding. CH Aviation says it remains stored at Shannon (on repair) CH-Aviation - Airline News, Fleet Lists & More

PPRuNeUser0176 3rd Mar 2012 18:04

I would think WAT will be back as an 72 with EI regional taking over, they will increase passenger numbers and I would put money on it being a 72 for part of the coming summer season.


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