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SWBKCB 11th Apr 2015 08:35

Hmm - I must have just been unlucky with the HR directors I've come across...

4Screwaircrew 11th Apr 2015 09:17

@Ivan aromer the comments were made following a tribunal where union reps claimed they were being treated unfairly, the tribunal found that this was the case. I'm told that the judgement is available on line but have no link available.

I don't believe the word lie was used but he was told he was unreliable and unbelievable.

Jet2_738 13th Apr 2015 10:54

G-CELZ, operating service LS775 from EDI - ALC has squawked 7700 this morning and diverted into LGW. Looks to have been a medical emergency.

GLAinsider 14th Apr 2015 07:56

So is this why the A330 was pulled?

SWBKCB 14th Apr 2015 15:41

Link talks about flights starting in November and the lease was for Summer?

Artie Fufkin 14th Apr 2015 18:21

On another topic the employment judgement was quite a giggle
Indeed, I had heard stories about the now legendary BALPA meeting in the Bramhope Britannia, but the sheer number of "f*cking b*llocks" in the minutes surprised even me!


Jet2_738 19th Apr 2015 13:52

G-JZHC is currently en route from BOH to NWI as EXS052D, after being painted into the Silver Mica livery. :ok:

Leeds Spotter 20th Apr 2015 14:39

Just returned to this site after quite an absence and read the last half dozen pages of this Jet2 thread.
During my absence my Dart shares have doubled in value as the city seems very happy with their financial figures, which were topped of last week with the announcement that JEt2 holidays now carrying over a million passengers a year, again great figures.
I am also happy to see a large number of pilots have been laid off, quite sensible surely when only half the fleet flown in the winter months, this would seem to me as a layman you only need half the number of pilots, I would be alarmed if they all remained on the payrole.
Flybe recent figures stated they were still having to use fuel forward contracts taken out at over 100 dollers a barrell until next year, when the contacts taken out early this year at 45 dollars come in to play, this will make Jet2 etc even more profitable, great for us shareholders, assuming they are running a similar forward contract basis.

garry8g 20th Apr 2015 18:29

Another new B737 - 800 ??
According to another forum, rumour has it that Jet2 have gone and bought 8 year old ex Transaero Boeing 737-800, EI-RUP. It's been in storage at Bournemouth since January 2015.

No winglets, but sure they will be added if this proves to be true. This would be the youngest aircraft in the fleet :ok:

Honiley 20th Apr 2015 18:53

Rumours from within the whole of Jet2 and Jet2 Holidays looking to be offloaded and up for sale...looks like it's run its course....

DjerbaDevil 20th Apr 2015 19:04

Boeing737-800 (34706/2014) was originally leased by Air China from Icelease and wfu by the Chinese airline in May 2014 and returned to the lessor. It was registered to Transaero Airlines but they did not take up the lease.
If a Chinese airline gives up on an aircraft that is 8 years old and a Russian airline refuses the same aircraft after registration, then it’s anyone’s guess what might be wrong with it......or what would be needed to be spent on it....
JET2 would appear to have their fleet requirements ready now for summer 2015 and it would be a surprise if there was any further addition to the fleet.

LEEDS APPROACH 20th Apr 2015 19:23

Always a good thing to check poster's previous posts before believing rumours on here. Right or wrong there are always going to be disgruntled (former) employees.

pug 20th Apr 2015 19:24

Honily, be interested to know where that's come from. Nothing to do with the 'vvips' visiting last week is it?

If so I wouldn't read too much into it.. Happens quite a lot, the Dart Group isn't just PM these days..

Artie Fufkin 20th Apr 2015 20:05

The explanation I heard for the "visitors" last week was that PM wants to raise cash for the upcoming aircraft order by selling his share.

Can quite see a control freak like him giving up control of the business.

Sean Dillon 20th Apr 2015 21:27

New investment is the only way this company can finance a much needed fleet replacement, PM finally letting go and the airline/holidays side of the group up for sale is a strong rumour, but I'm with Artie, he's a complete control freak/micro manager, just can't see it!

But, it's a very 'temporary' structure all built around a 'full package' sale - for those that have ever wondered 'why' with regards to an aviation training centre on an industrial estate in that aviation centre of Bradford!

It'll all be 'something else' or gone with 5 years...those thinking this is some major player are dilluded and missing what PM is...

StoneyBridge Radar 21st Apr 2015 10:59

It'll all be 'something else' or gone with 5 years...those thinking this is some major player are dilluded and missing what PM is...
Are we talking "gone" on an XL scale or something completely else..?

Leeds Spotter 21st Apr 2015 15:08

Jet2 and jet2 holidays is owned by a public company, i.e. Dart Group. we the shareholders decide what happens not the C E, this is how the stock exchange works.
The rules are quite clear if the company has been approached or wishes to be approached an announcement must be made on the floor of the stock exchange.
If the company needs money it can have a rights issue, this is the normal way for a public company to go forward, (expect one from Tesco tomorrow). Unlike Tesco, Darts shares have doubled this year, making a rights issue easy to launch in the city.
Whilst a major shareholder, PM has to dance to the citys needs, I have seen 75% shareholders kicked out of there companies, PM would be easy to remove if the city lost confidence.
Certainly a sale would be good for me, I imagine at least a 25% premium to todays price.

garry8g 21st Apr 2015 15:31

B737-800 GJZHD

According to Jethros, the 8 year old ex Transaero Boeing 737-800, EI-RUP has been acquired by Jet2, and is due in service May 15.

They must have done some kind of deal for it then. Still a bit of a surprise though.

DjerbaDevil 21st Apr 2015 15:54

B737-800 GJZHD


Yes, it must have been a very good deal. Jethro’s also reports that it will be in service by 15 May and therefore in time for the high season.

Perhaps either the Priviledge Style B757 or the Titan A320 leasing programmed for the summer will be cancelled.

Jet2_738 22nd Apr 2015 18:40

If any were to be cancelled, would have though it would be the GLA based a320 - The extra capacity (+12.5%) would mean more seats, and a common type (B738) for GLA. Maybe they might keep both leases, and have G-JZHD as a back up/relief a/c. Only time will tell... :ok:

DjerbaDevil 22nd Apr 2015 23:29

Agreed that the Titan A320 would be the most likely cancellation. The back up/relief aircraft should be a couple of the B757s regrouped at LBA and MAN bases. Nevertheless G-JZHD will probably end up at LBA or MAN until it has proved its reliability.
With this ‘new’ B738 addition it is almost certain to be a Boeing order announcement for the future.

Yorkshire_Pudding 23rd Apr 2015 09:25

With this ‘new’ B738 addition it is almost certain to be a Boeing order announcement for the future.
Easyjet went from all Boeing to all airbus.
Monarch is going all airbus to all Boeing.

So no, not necessarily as you suggest.

DjerbaDevil 23rd Apr 2015 13:36

Monarch is going all airbus to all Boeing.
No chance IMO. Monarch signed an LOI (Letter of Intent) with Boeing for the B737MAX, when they were attracting the attention of a would be buyer and it gave the distinct impression of being a PR excercise. Added to which they said that they would get the aircraft in 2018, which is impossible. Firstly the B737MAX is scheduled for first deliveries in 2017 and, when Monarch signed their LOI, there were already 2000 firm orders for the aircraft. Boeing can only manage to manufacture 500 B737s per year, so even if they started to mass produce the B737MAX on 1 January 2017 (most unlikely), they would not be able to serve the Monarch order until 2021. In the meantime, there would not appear to have been any updated news that the LOI has been converted to a firm order by Monarch. Meanwhile more and more firm orders have been added to the waiting list for the B737MAX, which at present stand at about 3,000 (six years production).

janeyTA 23rd Apr 2015 14:22

Monarch signed an LOI (Letter of Intent) with Boeing for the B737MAX, when they were attracting the attention of a would be buyer and it gave the distinct impression of being a PR excercise
Boeing: Boeing UK - Boeing, Monarch Airlines Finalize Order for 30 737 MAX 8s

So does that mean it's finalised order, or a letter of intent that was signed earlier last year.

Leeds Spotter 23rd Apr 2015 15:49

This order was placed 7 days after Greybull Capital bought out Monarch and invested £125m in the company.
Should be treated as a PR exercise until we see some financial figures of how Monarch is trading in is new guise as a LCC.
At the moment there selling off the company silver, the aircraft purchased new two years ago, have now been sold of and replaced by aircraft 14 years old, an aircraft replacement plan in line with Jet2.
The £125m is working capital, no money in the pot for new aircraft, this years second hand purchases has been funded by sales of newer aircraft.

Serenity 23rd Apr 2015 16:30

Suggest Leeds spotter gets his facts straight!!
Every sentence in that post is incorrect!!!

SWBKCB 23rd Apr 2015 17:24

Ignoring the MAX debate, MON had previously switched from Boeing to Airbus, as well as the EZY example so not impossible, although any new aircraft order seems unlikely in my opinion (that should have them reaching for their contract signing pens... :ok: )

compton3bravo 23rd Apr 2015 18:03

Come on Leeds Spotter you can do better than that - what utter tosh in that post. As somebody else has said all your comments are completely untrue, e.g. Monarch do not buy aircraft they LEASE them.

Sean Dillon 23rd Apr 2015 20:52

Really?!? A spotter write something on here, with bizarre and extream confidence, that is complete and utter rubbish about this airline/industry!

Any cancellation at this stage of any of wet/damp lease by the way, will be subject to heavy penalties...and the Dart Group can't afford that or an order of either new type! Guess there are certain things you don't get from Airliner World!

Always a pleasure to see you guys too 'ATIS' - after listening to our management during last summer, long may you prosper...you have a quality' brand!

galwaypilot 24th Apr 2015 07:00

Jet2 A320 Announcement
So I hear it's widely rumoured (don't laugh!) that Jet2.com will be making an announcement at the next Paris air show that they are replacing the 733 with the A320. The initial order will be about 20 planes. I believe Norwegian is dumping their A320 options or a portion of at least, and Jet2 are taking them on after seeking finance from Bank of America I believe.

Again like most airlines I do appreciate rumours don't turn fact until you see it with your own eyes.

Jet2_738 24th Apr 2015 12:46

Again like most airlines I do appreciate rumours don't turn fact until you see it with your own eyes.
I agree^

A change of type seems really unlikely to an airline like Jet2. I know that EZY did it, but Jet2's business model isn't similar to EZY at all. The A320 replacing the 733 is ridiculous (I know its only a rumour) - Jet2 have already stared replacing them with bigger 738's. The 733's will operate in service until they need to be scrapped, and by that time, Jet2 will have built up a network of enough 738's. I'd expect the oldest 733QC's to be converted into just Cargo, as they come to the end of their lives. The younger ones in the fleet - i.e G-GDFL will stick around for quite a while yet. Operating a mixed fleet is more expensive than running a fleet of the same type and it seems rather pointless operating a 180-seat Airbus, when they could operate a 189-seat Boeing, and have it fit in with the rest of the fleet. :ok:

DjerbaDevil 24th Apr 2015 13:33

A change of type seems really unlikely to an airline like Jet2.
It could be done quite simply. The A320NEO does have 189 passengers in a one class layout, so that’s one objection solved. Then JET2 has 7 bases and they are already allocating their three Boeing types to certain bases. The clearest example is Glasgow which is all B738s. It would therefore be possible to allocate new A320NEOs to specific bases and the mixed fleet would not therefore create any major headaches. Further, with the A320NEO being a 189 seater, it could be swapped for a B738 at any time.
One other advantage is the more spacious cockpit of the A320NEO that would delight Sean Dillon. Doubtless if it comes about it probably means the CEO was thinking of him.

Jet2_738 24th Apr 2015 20:49

The A320NEO does have 189 passengers in a one class layout, so that’s one objection solved.
If we are increasing capacity, and buying new aircraft, does a logical solution not lie in the 737MAX-8,-9 or especially the 737MAX 200 - an extra 11 seats, and more economic - less fuel consumption, similar parts library...

But anyway, new aircraft are unlikely to Jet2. Maybe when the 737MAX comes out, and the 737NG prices fall, then Jet2 might consider buying new then. But lets hope a new aircraft order comes sooner rather than later. :ok:

DjerbaDevil 24th Apr 2015 22:35

Norwegian is dumping their A320 options or a portion of at least, and Jet2 are taking them on after seeking finance from Bank of America I believe.
If the above works out, then the Airbus 320NEO order makes sense. The B738MAX will begin flying in two years’ time and with a backlog of 3000 orders in the pipeline and a manufaturiung rate of 500 airframes per year, any order today would mean waiting 8+ years for delivery.
JET2 don’t have the time to wait if they plan on renewing their 27year+ fleet of B733s and B757s, of which there are about 20. The best they could do as an alternative is to continue to buy/lease second hand 10+ year old B738s.

Incidently my preference would be for Boeing....but needs must.

LNIDA 24th Apr 2015 23:55

Norwegian dumping 320Neo........don't think so
First off Norwegian do not at this stage plan to operate the A320Neo they ordered them (along with a lot of Max's) because the deal was so good, they will go to AAA (Arctic Asset Aviation) they ordered them because in recent years its been the lease companies making a lot of money out of having aircraft that airlines can't get their hands on, that is what AAA is about.

So if Jet2 did go down this path they would be leasing them from AAA

Norwegian plans to restart its growth plans in 2016 and is looking at 25% PA compared with 5% this year. 2016 see 4 x 787-900 delivered in addition to the 8 787-800 now in service, added to which there will be around 25 new build 738's the LGW operation will switch to G reg mid year for both fleets.

I suspect if Jet2 are looking for new build kit they will as an existing Boeing customer play the what will you give us to switch game with Airbus, but this isn't 2001 anymore both companies have huge order backlogs.

The drop in oil price will buy Jet2 a breathing space but likely lead to more economic growth and more orders.

Its worth noting that AAA could equally offer up the 738/MAX for lease, it was at the time Europe's biggest aircraft order

galwaypilot 25th Apr 2015 10:24

Well it's all very interesting. Because at a recent management base visit the new DFO (ex-Cp) strongly hinted to the fact the there are A320's on the way. Though the CEO stated Jet2's expansion plans consist of an addition of 4-5 planes to the fleet every year until the fleet reaches about 75 aircraft.

This to me sounds right, as whether it's an SOP change or buying an aeroplane, they have a very slow and cautious attitude to the deduction making process. I feel that's their management style. However this move if true seems to contradict that! Plus considering they don't fly during the winter, how will this change their business model?!

Johnny [email protected] Pants 25th Apr 2015 11:46

Interesting times
I have kept myself to myself for quite some time here, which those of you that know me will know that I have found hard given some of the drivel that has been raised by certain forum members, particularly the ones who appear to wish the hand that allegedly feeds them a great ill.

I know that improvements can be made throughout the business, but show me a business where this isn't the case. The "droves" of pilots leaving is hardly a surprise to most of us, after all it is BA that are hoovering up and Jet2 is not alone is losing crew. Some have left for other pastures, I know, but they are few and far between.

Nobody seems to have shown any interest in this bit of news relating to Jet2 and it's relationship with BALPA from last week.

Bird & Bird wins landmark case relating to the scope of collective bargaining with trade unions | Jet2.com

That seems to have cleared up the situation and the Jet2 management involved in this can now concentrate their efforts towards moving the business further forward without the distraction of having to be involved in meetings about court cases etc etc.

Ivan aromer 25th Apr 2015 14:01

You mention the DFO (ex CP). Does this mean that TWE has gone?

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 25th Apr 2015 14:46

Love to think there'll be some newer aircraft at Jet2 before August. Especially flying out of NCL.

galwaypilot 25th Apr 2015 15:58

Jet2 4
Well PD is DFO and BM is now CP! So yea to TWE is no longer in that position. Deputy DFO is in the process of being filled.

As for BALPA etc. I can't comment on that as I really don't have an opinion. Pluses and minuses on that topic. I would just like to know what the thoughts are on the A320 development.

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