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castleford tiger 30th May 2017 09:34

anybody any idea why Palma to Leeds was sent to Birmingham early hours this morning? Thanks in advance

Station_Calling 30th May 2017 10:13

Weather...
 
It was <300m in fog with active thunderstorms all around the field last night.

castleford tiger 30th May 2017 10:53

thanks but landings were made at 12.15 /12.45/1.05/1.25


Find it strange one was diverted

Station_Calling 31st May 2017 01:59

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Weather moves in and out. Just because one aircraft can land, doesn't mean another one can later.

This was a weather divert.

RAFAT 31st May 2017 02:05

Given the weather conditions at the time: RVRs of around 350m, those landings were probably by Cat III Autoland equipped aircraft, the ones that diverted were likely not equipped or not authorised.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 31st May 2017 09:15

Or were 737-800's that are landing performance limited and were likely too heavy to land in the fog, as extra landing distance is required over a manual landing.

rubymurray 31st May 2017 13:48


Originally Posted by RAFAT (Post 9787867)
Given the weather conditions at the time: RVRs of around 350m, those landings were probably by Cat III Autoland equipped aircraft, the ones that diverted were likely not equipped or not authorised.

CAT III autolands aren't authorised at Leeds Bradford so they'll be flying to CAT I minimums

L1649 31st May 2017 15:41


Originally Posted by rubymurray (Post 9788385)
CAT III autolands aren't authorised at Leeds Bradford so they'll be flying to CAT I minimums

Nope. That's not correct.

Ivan aromer 31st May 2017 16:22

[QUOTE
The companies B757's are Cat1 only at Leeds.[/QUOTE]

Not just Jet2s' 75s.
The trials for the 75 approval were pretty scary by all accounts, and wiser councils prevailed. So cat 1 only.

RAFAT 31st May 2017 17:56

As L1649 and Council Van stated, Jet2's 737s are approved for such landings on 32 at LBA, I've done several.

rubymurray 31st May 2017 19:31

Apologies, knew the 75s were CAT I only, didn't realise the 73s could do CAT III approaches

boyo975 31st May 2017 20:45

Just CATIIIA I believe... 737 doesn't have rollout.

Council Van 31st May 2017 21:58


Originally Posted by boyo975 (Post 9788668)
Just CATIIIA I believe... 737 doesn't have rollout.

Do the light twins also only have just two Autopilots?

double-oscar 1st Jun 2017 14:13

CAT 3B is an option on the later 737NG. The modifications to the rudder servo made it possible to add the rollout feature. Yes, only two autopilots but improved monitoring with I think inputs from the standby Attitude and Heading Reference System make it workable. It's a cost option so not everyone buys it. I know it's fitted on the newer Thomson aircraft.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 1st Jun 2017 20:30

No real need for it to be honest. In 13 and a bit years of operating the B737 with Cat3A fitted I've never needed anything other than that. Visibility so poor is so infrequent it's an additional cost for very little gain.

lederhosen 1st Jun 2017 21:07


Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants (Post 9789602)
No real need for it to be honest. In 13 and a bit years of operating the B737 with Cat3A fitted I've never needed anything other than that. Visibility so poor is so infrequent it's an additional cost for very little gain.

I have been flying the NG for about the same time and have had exactly one diversion when 3b would have got us in. Having said that, the newer NGs are significantly improved, although an autoland go-around above alert height single engine flaps 30 (if you have the authorisation) is a pretty demanding manouevre.

irishlad06 2nd Jun 2017 13:30

Looks like the A330 being used on some of the New York winter flights. Can see it operating STN-EWR in the system at the minute.

LAX_LHR 2nd Jun 2017 13:34

Will be interesting to see which winter routes the A330 is used on. Can't see it sat around doing just 3 New York Shopping trips?

Johnny [email protected] Pants 2nd Jun 2017 13:39


Originally Posted by lederhosen (Post 9789644)
an autoland go-around above alert height single engine flaps 30 (if you have the authorisation) is a pretty demanding manouevre.

And at flap 40 it's even more of a handful, even when I knew it was coming in the sim.

mikkie4 2nd Jun 2017 16:34

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