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righthandrule 3rd Nov 2012 19:27

There is a bit of confusion here. Just to confirm, this is where OPERATIONAL aircraft will be based, not factoring in 1x standby 737 & 1 standby 757.

Glasgow - 1 733, 2 738 & 1 757
Edinburgh - 4 733
Newcastle - 4 733 & 2 757
Blackpool - 2 733
Belfast - 2 733
East Midlands - 1 733, 1 738 & 1 757
Leeds Bradford - 7 733, 1 738 & 3 757
Manchester - 2 733, 5 738, 3 757

This is what the flights are on sale for, next years aircraft additions have not been acquired yet so things can change and I'm sure they will. There will be a standby 737-300 based at Leeds and a standby 757 based at Manchester to cover the 738 and 752 fleets. Summer 2013 should see a fleet of 44 operational and 2 standby aircraft over 40 operational this year. The plan is to have 50 operational aircraft in 2014 along with a new base.

Plans were out in place for a 757 to be based at Liverpool, but with Ryanairs growth at Manchester, the north was pretty saturated on the routes Jet2 were planning to operate. This new base should prove an ideal diversion alternative for East Midlands.....

EuroChallenger 3rd Nov 2012 20:15

Is there no longer an aircraft based at Stansted that used to do charters and night mail work?

MKY661 3rd Nov 2012 21:13


The plan is to have 50 operational aircraft in 2014 along with a new base.
My guess... Liverpool

commit aviation 3rd Nov 2012 21:21

Eurochallenger
The answer to your question is no. They moved the STN aircraft to EDI, swapping with Titan who moved one from EDI to STN. Made more sense as Titan are based in STN & Jet2 felt they could make better use of the aircraft on scheduled services from EDI. The mail routes were simply swapped over.

BKS Air Transport 3rd Nov 2012 21:57

@ MKY 661

You've not really read righthandrule's post very well. S/he says that they pulled out of the LPL base because the north west was saturated with the type of routes they operate. S/he then hints that the new 2014 base would be an ideal diversion airport for EMA, hardly Liverpool I'd suggest.

I'd say BHX and DSA fit the bill pretty well, and of the two I'd go for the former. For their size, they have relatively poor coverage with Locos.

SWBKCB 4th Nov 2012 06:04

BKS- that's how I interpreted the post as well. Time will tell!

airadio 4th Nov 2012 12:34

We shall see

BHX5DME 4th Nov 2012 15:20

I wouldn't rule out Coventry

CabinCrewe 4th Nov 2012 15:50

I would. . .

AIRPORT66 4th Nov 2012 16:56

airport66
 
What ever happened to the talk a while back about expanding there operation at Belfast,they were gonna base another aircraft and start new routes.

COBHC 4th Nov 2012 17:21

or expanding the base at BLK?

there is currently less than ten flights a week with 1 733 based here at the moment. surely some of the seasonal flights should be made all year round?

they might realise that when the DLM, IBZ and ACE flights are fully operational?

also, a B738 or B752 wouldn't go a miss here ;)

Ernest Lanc's 4th Nov 2012 17:51

COBHC
jet2 are at the limit with just 2 a/c based at BLK is Dalaman and Lanzarote do OK..Ibiza has done OK before.

If Jet2 do expand with more routes and frequency at BLK. then a 3rd aircraft will be needed.

The plans for a 3rd aircraft seemed to be shelved, after FR expanded at MAN, the same time that FR threw their toys from the pram at MAN. Just as the recession was starting also.

Probably BLK will end up with a B757, as a 737 is not that great for Dalaman and 2 routes to the Canaries.

DjerbaDevil 4th Nov 2012 18:05


There is a bit of confusion here. Just to confirm, this is where OPERATIONAL aircraft will be based, not factoring in 1x standby 737 & 1 standby 757.

Glasgow - 1 733, 2 738 & 1 757
Edinburgh - 4 733
Newcastle - 4 733 & 2 757
Blackpool - 2 733
Belfast - 2 733
East Midlands - 1 733, 1 738 & 1 757
Leeds Bradford - 7 733, 1 738 & 3 757
Manchester - 2 733, 5 738, 3 757

This is what the flights are on sale for, next years aircraft additions have not been acquired yet so things can change and I'm sure they will. There will be a standby 737-300 based at Leeds and a standby 757 based at Manchester to cover the 738 and 752 fleets. Summer 2013 should see a fleet of 44 operational and 2 standby aircraft over 40 operational this year. The plan is to have 50 operational aircraft in 2014 along with a new base.
The fleet numbers given above donít seem to add up.

At the moment there are 11 x 757s, which do agree with the above.

There are only 4 x 738s in the fleet at the moment, so according to the list above there should be another 5 coming (and not six as previously reported) for next summer 2013.

There are 27 B733s including a B733 freighter in the fleet at the moment, which are 3 more than the operational aircraft+standby B733 reported above totalling 24 B733s.



Is JET2 going to sell/scrap any B733s for next summer 2013 perhaps?

JO27 4th Nov 2012 18:17

JO27
 
DjerbaDevil's figures for each base add up to only 42 operational aircraft, rather than the 44 he says is the requirement for 2013. Looking at the Saturday timetables on the Jet2 website for peak summer, it appears it should be 2 x 738 (instead of 1) at EMA and 3 x 733 (instead of 2) at MAN. This would then make the 44 operational aircraft he lists as being the operational fleet for 2013.

This gives a total operational requirement of 10 x 738 and 24 x 733 (plus the 733F based at Exeter).

Lord Spandex Masher 4th Nov 2012 22:29

Possibly a leased Airbus at EMA too.

ematom1 5th Nov 2012 00:30

Possible leased airbus at EMA?

BasilFawlty 5th Nov 2012 21:40

I'm always wondering why they don't open a base in EXT. Get rid of the 733F (which is doing nothing except for EXT-EMA-EXT on weekday evenings) and replace it with a 733QC and operate some scheduled pax services during the day.

Ernest Lanc's 5th Nov 2012 21:46

I reckon it's Jet2's intention to monopolise the North from Scotland to the Midlands, before moving South.

BasilFawlty 5th Nov 2012 21:49

I know, but EXT is already a base, so it could be expanded to do limited pax operations quite easily.

757 Speedbrakes 7th Nov 2012 14:26

Well Basil, the 733F at EXT does earn the airline a profit.....

If there was a passenger market there that would increase profit I'm sure Jet2 would have done it. The airline employees a bunch of office bods and 'analysts' to sit there all day and look at look at this stuff. I don't think with jet2 being a larger operator now that its all done on the back of a fag packet from a pub in Bournemouth anymore!

BasilFawlty 7th Nov 2012 14:29

Yes, and if you replace it by a 733QC it can earn even more profit. ;)

StopStart 17th Nov 2012 18:01

The 733F brings in enough revenue to justify it not flying during the day. Using a QC carries the risk of said QC going tech somewhere during the day and jeopardising the night mail. There's too much money involved to risk that.
The freighter also takes full height bins whereas a QC won't.

Penworth 17th Nov 2012 18:19


Using a QC carries the risk of said QC going tech somewhere during the day and jeopardising the night mail
Yet that's what they do at the other night mail bases such as Edinburgh, Newcastle, Belfast etc, so there must be more to their reluctance to operate pax flights out of Exeter than just the risk of delaying the mail.

take-off 17th Nov 2012 19:16

Having picked up a brochure at blk airport in last few days , asked sales rep behind counter about Turkey, she happened to mention Lanzarote starting, which I said yes I know , she also mention that Lanzarote was going twice weekly from Blk, or has she got it wrong, maybe I miss heard but she mentioned twice yearly, so maybe it's going to be a year round destination?

Will Blk be keeping the jet2 holidays liveried aircraft for the foreseeable future, makes a change to the battleship grey one that's been flying overhead past few months?

take-off 17th Nov 2012 19:24

Well answering my own question here, see that it shows Lanzarote Ending sept2013 ,having a break in October, to return for weekly Sunday flights fow winter 2013/14 :ok:

Ernest Lanc's 17th Nov 2012 21:00

take-off
 
I have booked Dalaman Summer 2013 from BLK. will I be on the grey or the Jet2 holiday plane?.

StopStart 17th Nov 2012 21:23

All the other bases have the redundancy of other QCs to cover the night mail if required. Pax ops out of Exeter would require two aircraft there for redundancy.
There's a lot of money tied up in the Royal Mail contract and it clearly pays to park up LW during the day.

pug 18th Nov 2012 02:02


so there must be more to their reluctance to operate pax flights out of Exeter than just the risk of delaying the mail.
Might have something to do with the fact that nobody knows who the :mad: they are..?

Type Rated B767 18th Nov 2012 09:47

Ernest_Lancs...

They dont know what aircraft will be based at BLK next week, nevermind summer 2013.

At the moment it is G-GDFL (B733wl) in holiday colours, whether or not the usual G-CELJ/LK will be back in the near future is anyones guess...

ematom1 18th Nov 2012 12:20

On the Exeter royal mail flights a full 737F is needed as the larger cans that are loaded are filled almost full every night, and a lot of mail goes in the cargo holds in the bellys to. using QC aircraft has smaller cans which means less cargo which for the exeter route would be a problem, from what I'm told jet2 make a lot of money on this.

majorni 18th Nov 2012 15:48

I just reading in a newspaper that Jet2 will operate some routes to Fuerteventura, is that true?,

757 Speedbrakes 27th Nov 2012 19:20

It says on the website: Fuerteventua a great place to spend Christmas but goes on to say, fly with Jet2 to Lanzarote, the neighbouring island. Would be nice if Jet2 did operate to FTV though.

Ernest Lanc's 27th Nov 2012 20:03

I have flown to Fuerteventura with Easy going and Ryanair coming back.

I have flown to Lanzarote with Jet2, and the islands are very similar..A tad more to do in the daytime in Lanzarote.

You can have the best of both worlds with Jet2.

You can see Fuerteventura from Playa Blanca, and the reverse from Corralejo...being there is a regular ferry between the two islands, it's possible to spend a week on each island, by flying to Lazarote.

potash 28th Nov 2012 13:23

fue
 
Ernest Lanc'sthe only differnce is that fue have some of the best beaches in europe and twice as large as Lanzer not many places left where you can sit on a beach and not see a another person.Jet2 will one day give it ago i am sure :cool:

COBHC 8th Dec 2012 15:20

Does anyone know why G-GDFL and G-GDFG swapped flights at Alicante on 08/12/12?

'FL arrived in Alicante as LS739 from Blackpool and 'FG arrived in Alicante as LS271 from Leeds.

On the return journeys, 'FL went off to Leeds as LS272 and 'FG came back to Blackpool.

Never seen that done before and I thought 'FL might be due for maintenance, but surely it wouldn't fly a couple of thousand or so miles there and back to go to Leeds for maintenance?

VC10man 8th Dec 2012 15:41

Yes it will be for maintenance. I have flown on a Thomson flight which was going to be swapped at Santorini. The crew said they hated the swap, it messes up the drinks, money and the duty frees.

757 Speedbrakes 8th Dec 2012 15:43

Aircraft (tail) swaps happen down route quite often...... trust me!

Doesn't usually affect departure times either.

COBHC 8th Dec 2012 15:45

thanks guys!

'FL has been here for ages, I hope 'FG stays for a while!

brian_dromey 8th Dec 2012 21:22

Aircraft swaps down route are the most effecient way to move aircraft around the system, without having to perform empty ferry flights, which obviously add cost as they earn no revenue. Usually the crew swap aircraft and take the other aircraft back to their original base. In this case BLK crew would take the 'new' aircraft back to BLK and the LBA crew took the aircraft for maintenance back to LBA. Ops usually select destinations with overlapping ground times to avoid disruption to the schedule.

adfly 8th Dec 2012 22:38

I believe Virgin do/did a similar thing with their 744's @ MCO so they could be rotated between MAN and LGW where the maintenance base is.


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