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righthandrule 23rd Oct 2012 22:53

Row 12 & 14 on the 737-300 are good seats, they both have 33" of legroom and at no extra cost, apart from the two window seats on 14 which are chargeable. Obviously these seats do get a bit more noise/engine vibration. As far as I'm concerned, can't beat the front row of any aircraft. The further away from the rudder the better! Obviously it's personal preference, no doubt one of the reasons advanced seat selection is so popular!

Lsflyer 24th Oct 2012 10:04

The "ageing" fleet comments barrage this thread constantly! At the end of the day Jet2.com regardless of fleet age makes profit every year and in general passengers seem happy with the service and often make nice comments on disembarkation. Yes the aircraft are getting on a bit but as most of the people who make the comments about getting new aircraft know, brand new aircraft cost hundreds of millions just for one! so there would be no jet2 left if they just said oh lets buy 25 new aircraft! They are gradually aquiring more 737-800 aircraft every year which are highly efficient. At the end of the day delays happen to every airline no matter what age their aircraft are and personally knowing the jet2 engineers they do a fantastic job of maintaining the aircraft and never compromise safety in any way!!

The interiors of all our aircraft are newly fitted with slim seats that dont recline and have more legroom than thomson and thomas cook (shorthaul). In general passengers love this as one of the gripes of anyone is having someone recline in their face and cut off their legroom! Yes going abit off topic here but just trying to reiterate that Jet2 aircraft are old but they are well maintained and generally have little problems!! having flown for 6 years with them trust me i wouldnt fly on them if they werent safe!

TSR2 24th Oct 2012 10:52

Lsflyer
 
Totally agree except for one point.


brand new aircraft cost hundreds of millions just for one!
Yes they do, but you can lease them.


The biggest danger to Jet2 as I see it, is that if they suffer a hull loss with an ageing aircraft, it could wipe them out completely ala Valujet.

LBIA 24th Oct 2012 11:08

Cant believe no one has not picked up the fact that it was 10 years today that Channel Express owners Dart Group PLC announced that it was setting up a low cost airline call jet2 with flights operating from Leeds-Bradford using A fleet of Boeing 737-300C aircraft.

No RYR for me 24th Oct 2012 12:32


Yes they do, but you can lease them.
That only makes them more expensive. Jet2 owns the aircraft and they are cheap airframes so that makes it possible to park them in the winter. Leases will kill you because you will have more expensive airframes plus a bank that wants to make a healthy margin on it too!


The biggest danger to Jet2 as I see it, is that if they suffer a hull loss with an ageing aircraft, it could wipe them out completely ala Valujet.
That is total non sense. Valuejet had a string of problems BEFORE the crash and was under FAA scrutiny BEFORE the crash. The crash had nothing to do with an ageing airframe but with a MX contractor sending oxygen generators in an unsafe condition

In short total [email protected]! :rolleyes:

wawkrk 24th Oct 2012 12:41

Does BA not have some 30 year old aircraft?

FRatSTN 24th Oct 2012 12:59


Any chance of a move into STN should MAG win it?
Would love to think so. They do already have cargo flights to Stansted ocassionally so would be great to get passenger flights. They'd be a good competitor to Ryanair on the Spanish (mainland, Balearic's and Canaries)Greek and Cypriot routes and EasyJet on the Turkish and Croatian routes and would also fill in the gap left by easyJet who have cut back quite drastically recently (but never announced it, unlike Ryanair!).

I'd always say when asked that question in the past, that I can't see it happening however it does seem more likely than a Monarch move to Stansted (since they already have Gatwick and Luton) and Stansted would probably be the best London airport for Jet2, since Gatwick is already over-crowded with leisure flights to the typical Alicante, Palma, Tenerife, Heraklion, Dalaman, Paphos etc. Stansted could actaully benefit with more capacity and more competition on these type of services!

no sponsor 24th Oct 2012 13:47

The oldest aircraft in BAs fleet are around the 22 year mark, with the oldest of the 747-400s, although some of the first of these have now been scrapped. The 737-400 are around the 18 year mark and are due to be replaced by winter 2014.

Curious Pax 24th Oct 2012 15:32

Longest serving current 737-400 with BA is G-DOCB, delivered on 16th Oct 1991, so 21 years old last week. 747-400 G-BNLE wins though, delivered on 15th Nov 1989, so almost 23 years old. The 767s aren't far behind, with G-BNWB being delivered on 8th Feb 1990.

Jet2's 733s made their first flights between Aug 86 (G-CELP) and May 98 (G-GDFK - started out with BA strangely enough), while the 757s first took to the skies between Sep 87 (G-LSAG) aand Nov 96 (G-LSAK).

For what it's worth I wouldn't hesitate to get on any of them!

NRU74 24th Oct 2012 17:51


it was 10 years today that Channel Express owners Dart Group PLC announced that it was setting up a low cost airline call jet2
Yes, and on the Nice Airport Arrivals and Departures part of their Website - ten years on - it's still listed as Channel Express -very confusing for anyone meeting arriving passengers.
I thought companies were always very proud of their 'Brand' -surely somebody could be tasked to get this changed ?

TSR2 24th Oct 2012 19:46

No RYR For Me
 
With respect, you have totally misunderstood the points in my post.

First, the point about aircraft leasing. My point (in response to a previous post highlighting the high cost of purchasing new aircraft), was nothing more than leasing being an alternative to outright purchase. I made absolutely no comment as to whether leasing is a suitable way of fleet replacement for any airline.

In repect of Valujet. Again I made no comment whatsoever connecting the CAUSE of the Valujet accident with the age of the aircraft. The cause is well documented and, as you say, had sod-all to do with the aircraft's age.
My point related to the EFFECT of the accident in that when any airline who in the mind of the travelling public is associated with ageing aircraft, and actually suffers a major hull loss (and loss of life as in the case of Valujet) irrespective of cause, the EFFECT is catostophic on the airline in terms of passenger loss of confidence.

Under these circumstances I find your harsh comments unwarranted.

Ernest Lanc's 24th Oct 2012 22:14

I agree TSR2...If Jet2 had a B737 or 757 down..Fingers would be pointed at the age of the aircraft.

In fact with without an a/c down, the fleets age is a popular topic for some on this forum.

It's not the age of the a/c that counts, it's the quality of the maintenance engineers.

No RYR for me 25th Oct 2012 08:52


My point (in response to a previous post highlighting the high cost of purchasing new aircraft), was nothing more than leasing being an alternative to outright purchase.
My point: Leasing a new airplane is as expensive if not more expensive than buying and financing a new airplane. Why take on expensive assets that you don't use in the winter....


who in the mind of the travelling public is associated with ageing aircraft
No, that is only put in the mind of the travelling public by people scaremongering on "professional" pilot forums. At the same time curious pax is spot on that a lot of airlines fly older airplanes. It is all down to economics and maintenance. Airlines don't buy new fleets based on the planespotter comments as mentioned in this thread.

Rant over :rolleyes:

TSR2 25th Oct 2012 09:26


that is only put in the mind of the travelling public by people scaremongering on "professional" pilot forums.
I disagree. If an airline suffers a major loss, the media will make sure that all the world knows the history of that airline.

EuroChallenger 25th Oct 2012 09:29

Venice usually shows as "Channel Express" too.

Lsflyer 25th Oct 2012 09:32

Look at airlines around the world like air france and BA they have had some very high profile accidents with very new planes. It doesnt matter about the age it matters about the people who fly and maintain them, in which case Jet2's engineers and pilots are some the most professional and friendly in the business! i would have no problem going to them to alert them to a problem whereas some airlines they would be scared to ring the flight deck!

Torquelink 25th Oct 2012 09:52


brand new aircraft cost hundreds of millions just for one
For widebodies perhaps, current delivered prices for A320/737-800 around $45m and for A319/737-700 around $38m.


Leases will kill you because you will have more expensive airframes plus a bank that wants to make a healthy margin on it too!
Rental factors for new aircraft are around 0.82%/month giving a rental for a new A320/737-800 of approximately $370,000 per month and, for the A319/737-700, approximately $312,000 per month. So, very much more expensive than used 737-300s and, unless you can maintain very high year-round utilisation, difficult to justify a switch into new equipment. Hence, I guess, why used 737-800s being added to the fleet. However, the "bargain of the month" must be used A319s which are available at very low lease rates - even for relatively young aircraft - and I would have thought would make the perfect 737-300 replacement in due course even allowing for type difference).

ILS32 25th Oct 2012 10:14

What's the problem with some of the posters on this thread? You see them posting regularly denigrating Jet2.Just scroll through the posts, same names over and over again.It's like a big willy waving contest.Our engineering base,our engineers are better than yours.Our aircraft are newer .cleaner and smell better than yours.Same crap repeated as though if you say it often enough it must be true.Jet2 may fly with older aircraft but they are well maintained.The new refurbished cabins are comfortable and look nice.If problems do occur and they will and don't forget similar problems occur with airlines who have newer fleets. Jet2 resolve the problem while looking after the passengers.That cannot be said for some airlines.Ten years since they started with 1 aircraft and now have over 40.Last year flew over 4 million passengers from 8 bases flying 145 routes which must tell you something which is passengers like to fly with Jets2 and their older aircraft.So if the success of Jet2 and they do make a profit as well is too much for you to accept live with it.

DjerbaDevil 29th Oct 2012 19:10

Impressive news on JET2's summer bookings, as reported in the Financial Times on Saturday last:

Shares in Dart Group, which runs the Jet2 budget airline and package holiday group, rose after miserable weather and tightened family finances resulted in a surprisingly strong summer holiday season. Passenger numbers at its Jet2holidays package division almost doubled year-on-year to 312,000 as families opted for all-inclusive deals when trying to escape the wet summer (FT).

TSR2 31st Oct 2012 21:29

I wonder if Jet2 would be interested in re-starting the MAN-LGW route now that BA have pulled out, or is it a route more suited to easyjet.

pug 31st Oct 2012 21:32

Jet2 arent interested in domestic flights whatsoever.. So I think they can be ruled out.

Serenity 31st Oct 2012 22:01

They used to do it when they started up.

Ernest Lanc's 31st Oct 2012 22:07

With a toe in New York, I think jet2 aspirations have move on since then.

BFS101 31st Oct 2012 22:13


Jet2 arent interested in domestic flights whatsoever.. So I think they can be ruled out.
They do operate BFS-LBA and seasonal BFS-BLK. Minor I know, but domestic nonetheless.

easyflyer83 31st Oct 2012 22:14

Jet 2 in the big apple are merely shopper specials at Christmas. Any scheduled NYC service for them would be a disaster without any feed at the other end.

Jet2 have moved on in many ways that is true... But they now resemble a charter airline more than a scheduled carrier with a heavy focus on leisure travel. Your comments make it sound like MAN-LGW would be beneath them.

Ernest Lanc's 31st Oct 2012 22:39


Originally Posted by BFS101
BFS-BLK. Minor I know, but domestic nonetheless

BLK-BFS is no more than a filler route, the 2013 schedule for this route, only came after the other and new routes had been sorted, and with reduced frequency.

Originally Posted by easyflyer83
Jet 2 in the big apple are merely shopper specials at Christmas.

That's true..jet2 are flirting with NY, I reckon that may not last forever..Jet2 has a different feel than any other budget airline, I have flown with.

Originally Posted by But they now resemble a charter airline more than a scheduled carrier with a heavy focus on leisure travel. Your comments make it sound like MAN-LGW would be beneath them
But they now resemble a charter airline more than a scheduled carrier with a heavy focus on leisure travel.[...] Your comments make it sound like MAN-LGW would be beneath them

No - I don't agree as such..Yes they have a heavy focus on leisure, but then again there is leisure in say Florida. Maybe in the future..Jet2.com serves Jet2 holidays, I really can't see how this makes them a charter airline.
A US connection is a long way off I agree, but Jet2 have come a long way is a short while..i think they have ambitions.
Regarding MAN-LGW. I did not mean to imply that route was beneath them, just they don't seem interested in domestic routes.

easyflyer83 31st Oct 2012 23:19

They've been contemplating 767's for a few years now. Florida is a different ball game to New York though. Leisure orientated (which brings me back to my previous point) which usually means highly point to point with no critical need for interline/code share and can be offered at a lower frequency. New York is the opposite of that.

Ambitious maybe but some of the greatest names in air travel have experienced success and fallen quickly by the wayside due to too much ambition.

I agree that MAN-LGW isn't a target for Jet2 but not because of any long haul ambitions.

Ernest Lanc's 1st Nov 2012 00:27


Ambitious maybe but some of the greatest names in air travel have experienced success and fallen quickly by the wayside due to too much ambition.
That's true...But jet2 have Dart behind them...Jet2 are creeping forward, look at their fleet..prudent springs to mind.
I think in medium term jet2 are looking beyond Europe, traveling with them as I said, is unlike Eazy or FR.

Freddie Laker: he tried to outdo BA, or was It British Airways them, he had no chance as he had no other irons in the fire.
Fly with jet2.com and at the end of the flight, over the tanoid comes "a special thank you to out Jet2 Holiday" travelers.

i take from this that the package holiday is what is in the long term Jet2 plans.

I have booked Jet2 holidays to Dalaman next year, I have always traveled independently, but I could not match the Jet2 Holiday deal.

Even the Xmas NY flights, are a 3 day deal..

Point being I reckon Dart/jet2 have plans not only as an airline, but as a tour operator in and beyond Europe.
once they have the aircraft, Florida as a package is IMO well within their means..For starters maybe.

easyflyer83 1st Nov 2012 05:11

I never doubted the success or viability of jet2. Your point however kind of supports my earlier comment that they are very charter these days. Nothing wrong with that I might add. Florida is certainly possible if they get 767's but we have seen other IT carriers pulling out of long haul or reducing their programmes considerably. What would Jet2 bring to the table? (Rhetorical question)

LBIA 2nd Nov 2012 18:42

Hi

Dose anyone know where Jet2 are acquiring the 6x Boeing 737-800ís that are said to be joining the fleet over the winter period?

Understand that they will be based as follows next summer season,
1x LBA, 2x EMA, 2x GLA & 5x MAN

Ernest Lanc's 2nd Nov 2012 19:28


Understand that they will be based as follows next summer season,
1x LBA, 2x EMA, 2x GLA & 5x MAN
That would be 10 x B 737-800, not 6 - unless I have misunderstood;your post.

Lord Spandex Masher 2nd Nov 2012 19:55

Already got 4!

Ernest Lanc's 2nd Nov 2012 21:40

Thank's for that, I should have realised.

MKY661 3rd Nov 2012 11:49

On Jethros it has been confirmed they are definately getting 4 more and 2 more are also likely but that is still TBC.
Jet2

FRatSTN 3rd Nov 2012 12:28

5 738's at Manchester seems a lot. Will they no longer have the 733 in 2013 at Manchester or will there still be 1 or 2 left??

LBIA 3rd Nov 2012 12:46

FRatSTN The reason for Jet2 sending further 737-800ís to MAN next summer is because its losing one of the 4x based 757-200's as its been moved to LBA. While another unit replaces the need to use a leased aircraft again.

Based on July 2013 schedules it looks as if aircraft will be deployed as follows.

BFS = 2 x B737-300
BLK = 2 x B737-300
EDI = 4 x B737-300
EMA = 1 x B737-300, 2 x B737-800 & 1 x B757-200
GLA = 1 x B737-300, 2 x B737-800 & 1 x B757-200
LBA = 8 x B737-300, 1 x B737-800 & 4 x B757-200
MAN = 3 x B737-300, 5 x B737-800 & 3 x B757-200
NCL = 4 x B737-300 & 2 x B757-200'
EXT = 1 x B737-300F

AP1995 3rd Nov 2012 13:24

correct me if i am wrong but i thought LBA'S 737-800 was instead of the extra 757?

LBIA 3rd Nov 2012 14:05

LBA was originally suppose to have 2x B737-800's based next summer 2013. But one of them is heading to MAN so as a direct swap, LBA will now get its 4th based B757-200 which is taken from MAN.

DjerbaDevil 3rd Nov 2012 15:02


Does anyone know where Jet2 are acquiring the 6x Boeing 737-800ís that are said to be joining the fleet over the winter period?
Just guessing, so how about 2 ex-Air Europa and the other four ex-TUIfly and ex-Transavia...

AP1995 3rd Nov 2012 15:30

Thanks LBIA, id much rather have a 757 then 737-800 extra capacity for LBA, probably because of the extra competition there!


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