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daz211 8th Sep 2016 14:47

When do you think we will know more details on the base size and routes
I'm hoping for a winter Newyork :ok:
But surly as most airlines have announced summer 2017 I guessing we should know more very soon

pamann 8th Sep 2016 14:59


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 9500669)
Will we have an aircraft with 'NORTH East London's favourite airline' painted on the side.

Jet2 'Essex' ?

garry8g 8th Sep 2016 17:00

With Jet2 now opening a ninth UK base, will there also be some more 2nd hand B737-800's joining the fleet?
I know the brand new aircraft start arriving next week, but I would have thought further aircraft acquisitions were required, especially if there is to be 6/7 of the older B733's retiring this winter.

Mooncrest 8th Sep 2016 17:29

I'm sure I've heard the Chief Exec stating that Jet2 will continue to acquire used 738s, alongside the brand-new machines.

Mooncrest 8th Sep 2016 21:29

Leeds Approach. What took you so long ?

EK77WNCL 8th Sep 2016 22:14

I can't help but feel a little disappointed that Jet2 is opening Stansted as a base, as a Northern (at a push) and regional airline at heart, I see this as them moving away from their roots, and I felt the same with the new 737 order too.. Jet2 (as I see it) are losing that little bit of uniqueness they had

I know they need to do this to survive, I know that getting into the London market will allow them to grow and pretty much print money, and I know it's a sign of how successful the airline has become when things had looked rocky in the past... But I still think it's bittersweet, and a little more bitter than sweet

I can only hope it fuels further expansion which could lead to new markets being broken into like Morocco, Iceland and Cape Verde, I think give it 5 years and MAN, STN and BHX will be their 3 biggest bases (probably in that order), or close to it. Maybe it might help them realise their long haul ambitions, although it'll be more of a struggle now on account of TOM and TCX having just added a huge long haul presence at STN


Sentimentally I'll miss old Jet2... They're just the same as the rest now, I'd like to say so long, it was good while it lasted, and genuinely, best of luck to them

BasilFawlty 8th Sep 2016 22:26

Same feelings here, in my view they should stick to their orginal business model with regional airports, where they can build up a loyal customer base. Major airports like STN is just a race to the bottom while fighting against competing airlines.

HeartyMeatballs 8th Sep 2016 23:18

And the worry is once they realise there are better yields in the south their borers bases could suffer. If I was in charge and I could make an extra few pound for each bum on a seat then I'd do it.

For me my concern is the change in the model. Previous winters had most of the fleet sat dormant which is great when the aircraft are of a certain vintage and are paid off. The problem now is that this is no longer an option.

I know the program is busier over the winter, and the summer season increasing, but there's still a good few months where they would be better off just sat on the ground. But not that will be costing money in financing the new planes.

tubby linton 8th Sep 2016 23:38

The Jet2 expansion and diversification in the current market worries me. It smacks of desperation and pursuing any market to ensure survival. This is going to be a sea change for them as they are going to have to start paying real money for new aircraft which is something they have never done. Phillip Meeson made his initial money importing used cars and he has done the same with his aircraft. He has been very sharp by buying worthless aircraft and finding a market for them to exploit. How he will manage paying lease rates on new aircraft will be an interesting time, though I would imagine his standing in the city for success may deflect some of the pain in the short term.

Check Mags On 9th Sep 2016 00:01

tubby Philip is not paying lease rates on new aircraft.
He got a good deal buying direct from Boeing.

Jetaway 9th Sep 2016 00:45


Originally Posted by EK77WNCL (Post 9501515)
I can only hope it fuels further expansion which could lead to new markets being broken into like Morocco, Iceland and Cape Verde, I think give it 5 years and MAN, STN and BHX will be their 3 biggest bases (probably in that order), or close to it. Maybe it might help them realise their long haul ambitions, although it'll be more of a struggle now on account of TOM and TCX having just added a huge long haul presence at STN

Well there is a rumour that Jet2 will be looking to base up to 30 aircraft at Manchester in the next 2-4 years. But with MAN TP taking place it would be a big ask by the airport.

But for now i think Jet2 wont go for Long Haul, if they did they would do it through aquisition. Who knows they might buy TCX in the future.

davidjohnson6 9th Sep 2016 00:59

It sounds like I'm not the only person to be thinking that Jet2 might get a bit of a rude awakening when they enter the fray that is London - likely to be somewhat different to the market in (for example) Leeds. Having said that, Jet2 are of a sufficiently big size that they probably can afford to give Stansteed a go. After all, Norwegian managed to try Gatwick and make it work...

Council Van 9th Sep 2016 08:17

How competitive is the market in Manchester? Jet2 seem to be doing OK there and loads have been fantastic all Summer hence the use of the standby 75 on some 73 routes next summer and the arrival of the leased 330's.

This is not a move of desperation, they did not buy those aircraft and suddenly think what are we going to do with them? Expansion was the intention so they brought the tools to do the job. With 60 frames already jet2 are not a little company from up North. They will have done their home work, their market research will have shown that this move will work.

If you sit still then you just stagnate. Expansion will help to improve buying power and negotiate better prices across the whole business, from the cost of hotel rooms, airport services possibbly even helping to get a reduction in the price of fuel.

Package Holiday choice from Stansted has never been fantastic. The size of the market in North and East London, Essex etc is massive with Luton being the main charter departure airport plenty of people will be happy to travel from Stansted instead. Road connections are very good and the train service from London and the North is excellent. The Stansted express is quick and reasonably priced. (Unlike the cross country train service from the Midlands)

A good move for a progressive and dynamic company. Will Jet2 become the South's favourite airline?

AndrewH52 9th Sep 2016 08:27


Originally Posted by Jetaway (Post 9501661)
Well there is a rumour that Jet2 will be looking to base up to 30 aircraft at Manchester in the next 2-4 years. But with MAN TP taking place it would be a big ask by the airport.

But for now i think Jet2 wont go for Long Haul, if they did they would do it through aquisition. Who knows they might buy TCX in the future.

There isn't a cat in hells chance that Jet 2 will double their MAN fleet in the next two - four years - there simply isn't the capacity and that will only get worse during the T2 'Transformation Programme'. It's debatable, given growth in long haul services from the airport (and associated wide bodies taking up more stands) that MAN could cater for that many additional aircraft even after the T2 project is completed - not without a further significant expansion.

toledoashley 9th Sep 2016 08:46

I think the problem is particularly the South East is far less 'package' driven due to the two very large bases of EZY and FR, there is just so much choice. Thomson succeeds in that market because they have a wide portfolio of exclusive hotels which have been well marketed, and Thomas Cook is now following that model.

daz211 9th Sep 2016 09:01

Jet2 Stansted
 
Jet2 will do ry well at Stansed and will shake up the likes of FR and EZY the one big thing Jet2 has the the others don't in Baggage allowance many family's and groups even couples fall foul of extra baggage fees and here in the south east people have just put up with paying it makes a big difference to the final price to many people also we have got use to building our own package from what I see jet2 holidays will give a whole new experience to many holiday makers who just want a return to the good old package holiday also not forgetting the baggage collection from your hotel in resort

Jetaway 9th Sep 2016 10:42


Originally Posted by AndrewH52 (Post 9501898)
There isn't a cat in hells chance that Jet 2 will double their MAN fleet in the next two - four years - there simply isn't the capacity and that will only get worse during the T2 'Transformation Programme'. It's debatable, given growth in long haul services from the airport (and associated wide bodies taking up more stands) that MAN could cater for that many additional aircraft even after the T2 project is completed - not without a further significant expansion.

Hence I said it would be a big ask, I was told this by one of their engineers so don't shoot the messenger.

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2016 11:00

Given jet2 are 17 based at MAN, up to 25 wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility. Look at it this way:

-the new hangar means 'off site' parking for up to 6 aircraft, 4 in the hangar and 2 outside. I understand this has also been sanctioned by MAN. So, straight off the bat, that's 6 stands freed up.

-bringing long haul into the equation as to why it would be hard to expand isn't the problem being made out to be.

Long haul in the bulk starts arriving from 0700 (yes, there are a few earlier flights, but the bulk arrives from 0700 onwards). This means the first wave short haul is mostly gone by the time the long haulers need the stands. Then, the long hauls are gone by the time the second wave hits. Repeat for the evening and there's the pattern.
Very few long haul aircraft require stands overnight in the same way short haul does. It's just the odd TCX/VS/TOM aircraft that require an overnight stand, hardly an issue.

So, extra based Jet2 not as ridiculous as it sounds.

-as a note, it may be a while off but there is also plans afoot to add more remote parking where the AVP currently is. Somewhere in the region of 15 stands for B737 sized aircraft. The AVP is moving south side near the fire station, with only Concorde, Trident and the DC-10 nose making the move over.

This shows plans are to increase overall stands, but this will be a seperate phase to the T2 development plans. May happen alongside the T2, may happen after, but, money has been set aside to allow the plans.

Skipness One Echo 9th Sep 2016 11:35

What's the plan for the Nimrod and the RJX? Scrap?


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