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victoria73 16th Jan 2011 19:12

victoria73
 
Looking at the Bfs website the Larnaca charter flight on friday night is being operated by an airline with a code VKH never heard of them before. I thought that charter flight was being operated by (cy) cyprus airways.

sam1993 16th Jan 2011 19:38

victoria73, There has been a lot of changes to the tour operators schedule following the collapse of Eurocypria. VKH is Viking Hellas! :ok:

BFS101 16th Jan 2011 20:52

Olympic Holidays have also chartered a Viking Hellas aircraft for their Heraklion flights, Tuesday's, no longer taking an allocation on the TCX.

victoria73 16th Jan 2011 20:54

victoria73
 
Ah yes remember now i thought they went bust as well.wonder what size of aircraft they will use Cyprus airways were going to use an A330/A310.

victoria73 16th Jan 2011 20:57

victoria73
 
Well at least that gets the Heraklion flight back it was very popular last year.

JonnyBfs 16th Jan 2011 21:40

Was just on the airport wiki page:
Monarch - Funchal and Mallorca??

I know Wikipedia is not always very reliable though.
If there is no truth in it, someone who is able to edit wikis can do that, I don't want to mess anything up!!

tigger2k8 17th Jan 2011 00:45

Its good to see the turkish routes back this year as well, after the fall of goldtrail last year BFS lost so many PAX, i would estimate a good 70,000 PAX may have been lost, considering there was 4 or 5 flights on a monday night i think to Turkey, and more throughout the week. The big drop in PAX numbers over the last 2 years has mainly been due to the fall of airlines and tour operators.. there would still have been a drop in numbers, but not as bad as we have witnessed.

As for Monarch at BFS, the only time they are in has been charters from the RAF side. Personally i have heard nothing myself, but its more than likely someone hearing a rumor or having a dream and posting on wiki.

Victoria, it will either be an A320 or MD83, dont know how many flights per week, but Cyprus airlines was, like you said, going to operate once a week using an A330 most times

mizake the mizzen 17th Jan 2011 08:29

Olympic Holidays LCA and HER
 
On Viking Hellas (VKH) it will be A320/180Y (based HER/LCA unit)

****5** VKH1353 BFS-LCA 2230-0545
****5** VKH1352 LCA-BFS 1800-2130

*2***** VKH 181 BFS-HER 1135-1755
*2***** VKH 180 HER-BFS 0800-1035

All Timings Local


Interesting as 2 weeks ago the Olympic system was showing Cyprus Airways as the carrier with flight nos CY873/2.

gate 22 17th Jan 2011 10:16

December London Belfast Provisional stats


LGW
BHD 15429 (2010) 19094 (2009) -19%
BFS 20541 (2010) 22467 (2009) -9%

LHR
BHD 32854 (2010) 41062 (2009) -20%

BFS 16861 (2010) 21174 (2009) -20%

STN
BHD 0 (2010) 27100 (2009) -100%

BFS 25022 (2010) 23377 + 7%

LTN
BHD 16937 (2010) +100%

BFS 0 (2010) 19333 (2009) -100%

Where have all the STN/BHD passengers gone (25,000)?
1. FR gave the tickets away and lost money that is why vacated BHD.
2. The passengers refuse to fly from BFS and want to fly to STN and are waiting for WW to start at BHD.

tigger2k8 17th Jan 2011 11:37

Where have all the STN/BHD passengers gone (25,000)?
1. FR gave the tickets away and lost money that is why vacated BHD.
2. The passengers refuse to fly from BFS and want to fly to STN and are waiting for WW to start at BHD.

I doubt people would really refuse to fly to their destination until March because of an extra 20 mile journey, but you never know with the way some people think, as theres people who save £10 on flights and end up spending that £10 on fuel getting to the different airport and think its a bargin, what sort of stats did BHD-LTN have for Nov? Was there a substantial increase between Nov and Dec? Remember there was almost a full week of no flights to LHR from both airports, and ofcourse the closures throughout Dec of airports which couldn't have helped, as those who maybe booked themselves to other London airports found their flights cancelled, or even not able to get to their airport itself due to the weather.

Maybe January will give us a clearer picture of where those PAX have went. There were times i drove to both airports when the roads were horrible with ice and snow, and if i had the option to not have to fly or skip a business meeting, I would have took the offer up, and since quite a lot of the PAX on London flights are business, I would say they didn't travel if they had the option not to.


BFS101 17th Jan 2011 13:10

I would say FR carried a lot of opportunistic passengers, I have used them for that very reason. Get a £10 rtn fare and head to London for the day, or over to Liverpool.

With the remaining carriers offering only more realistic fares, this may cut out all those passengers who are simply looking a rediculously cheap fare.

Regarding MON to FNC, on the Monarch thread there seems to be many UK regional airports getting such flights. Potentially one off's or selected departure dates for a tour operator, so manybe an ounce of truth.

Would have been great to see CY A330 at BFS, and a well equiped aircraft for the passengers with PTV's for the 5 odd hour flight!! Was great to see widebodies being regularly used at BFS, the TCX A330 to Monastir and Onur A300 to Dalaman and Bodrum, amongst others!!

Keyvon 17th Jan 2011 13:24

Monarch Airlines will indeed operate a serie of one-off departures from Belfast to Funchal (Madeira).

Departures date are planned on : 30/05, 06/06, 05/09, 12/09, 19/09. Hence five additional charter rotations for BFS.

Flights are carried out for Atlantic Holidays.

BFS101 17th Jan 2011 15:59

Excellent news re Madeira. With any luck, demand will be such, that Atlantic will run a season long programme off the back of this. BFS seems to be one of very few UK airports that doesn't have a regular Madeira flight, especially for winter sun.

gate 22 17th Jan 2011 19:50

Would Monarch ever consider routes from BFS. They could do Turkey, Bulgaria, Sanford etc and maybe have a go at Toronto and a domestic like Manchester.

BFS101 17th Jan 2011 20:01

Monarch have only ever done charter flights from BFS. Direct Holidays used them for a number of years, when they based an additional aircraft over the peak twelfth fortnight period, then becoming an extra TCX aircraft, when Thomas Cook bought over Direct.

The Sanford flights were on behalf of the Thomas Cook group if I recall, using an A330. Many moons ago they also used 757's on the Orlando route, I think for Chieftain Holidays, via Bangor or Gander.

Think the chance of MON offering a scheduled MAN from Belfast is pretty much nil, and scheduled European or Toronto also very slim.

gate 22 17th Jan 2011 20:09

My experience with Monarch is quite retro, I flew OM610 (I think) to Palma on a BAC 1-11 in June 83 or 82.

Aaron9890 17th Jan 2011 21:29

A couple of days ago i sent a general enquiry involving the route shop website, i said to them about adding BFS to their collection of airports. I received this reply today:

Hello Aaron

Thank you very much for your enquire I am glad you are reading anna.aero and enjoy it.

In regard to your questions we would very much like to do more work with Belfast international Airport within anna.aero as well as help with your ongoing air service development campaign by including the airport in The Route Shop.

i have a funny feeling that this is just to get me off their backs and they probably wont consider adding it. i thought it would be interesting to see what routes are in demand etc

i'm not quite sure if the can just add a page. I think the airport needs to pay them money for advertising. it would be a great way for BFS to get more routes in my opinion

victoria73 17th Jan 2011 22:10

victoria73
 
The management at BFS have identified a lot of routes from BFS but the problem is the airlines want start up subsidies and the owners Abertis won't release any cash to give to the airlines.and all the other airlines that operate out of BFS are just not in the mood to develope maybe they need some subsidies to give them bit of a nudge.

virginblue 18th Jan 2011 07:21

Aaron,

a quick browse of the route shop website reveals this:


Got some great routes to sell in The Route Shop?
...
Prices start at just €1,299 inclusive for six months!
No conspiracy. The website is no charity. BFS simply has to fork out some cash.

gate 22 18th Jan 2011 11:21

BMI'S announcement on LHR-domestics possibly tomorrow

If BMI cut back the BHD-LHR service to say 5 per day or even less, will EI continue with their current laid back approach at BFS or will they get extra slots. Could they not operate a full A321 service LHR - DUB, thus cut back on slots and give a couple to BFS?


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