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diginagain 29th May 2011 17:00

ISTR reading last week in one of the local papers a suggestion that BIH were looking at flying from a new site at St Erth, which, as I'm sure you're aware, is on the the main line into Pz.

It's here too.

Phileas Fogg 29th May 2011 17:34

And St Erth station is slap bang adjacent to the A30 ..... very good idea!

diginagain 29th May 2011 17:50

Not only adjacent to transport connections, but the RSPB bird sanctuary on the Hayle estuary.

GROUNDHOG 29th May 2011 18:19

Hayle Estuary is in the opposite direction to the Isles of Scilly though.

Good location right by A30 and mainline station.

I must stop agreeing with Phileas Fogg
I must stop agreeing with Phileas Fogg

x 100 times.

JSCL 29th May 2011 18:27

I agree GROUNDHOG, he speaks too much truth :(

diginagain 29th May 2011 18:34


Originally Posted by GROUNDHOG
Hayle Estuary is in the opposite direction to the Isles of Scilly though.

That's alright then. Must pop round and watch the '61s doing downwind quickstops........

GROUNDHOG 30th May 2011 08:45

Just train the birds to only take off towards the ocean, much easier!

Phileas Fogg 30th May 2011 09:52

diginagain,

Where would 'downwind' actually take the helichopper?

Do you know what runway headings any new heliport may have?

Penzance has runway 08/26 but that's probably due to a road or two running alongside the field, and even once any new runway heading may have been decided upon a heliport can then designate left hand or right hand circuits to a runway.

cornishsimon 30th May 2011 10:05

i still think even if the Hayle option comes off that all MX will be done at NQY so the birds would return to NQY every night

cs

virginblue 30th May 2011 12:08

Wasn't the BIH plan to move closer to the Scillies rather than further away? This in order to be able to better compete with the fixed wing operator from St. Just?

GROUNDHOG 30th May 2011 12:18

Talking of birds is that all that flies in to Truro Airfield these days or is that an option? Granted it is not right by the railway but with a short transfer perhaps...?

cornishsimon 30th May 2011 12:57

i drive past truro airfield most days, theres the odd chopper doing scenic flights and some small fixed wings, however the road access is truely awful !

i would very much doubt that it would be an option to be honest with you.

however the more that i think about it the Hayle option sounds quite good, walking distance from the railway station, small terminal building, fire facilities and a hard standing/helipad. fly the choppers in first thing and then back to nqy every night for MX/basing

cs

Phileas Fogg 30th May 2011 13:07

The chopper's business is to provide road and rail transfers hence why this service has lasted for so long, along with providing 'awaydays' for the islanders to go shopping, hairdressers etc. etc. etc. in a mainland town, until now Penzance.

Between PZE and the Scillies there is no rail, insignificant roads and the only airfield is owned/operated by the chopper's competitor.

I stand to be corrected but I don't think Truro is a licensed airfield.

And why the hell would they build a new heliport facility, free landing/navigation fees, free parking, their own hangar etc, only to position, at great expense, the choppers to/from NQY every night?

GROUNDHOG 30th May 2011 16:09

Surely though if you had to return to NQY every night you would simply operate a w pattern using the first and last rotations of the day..

Phileas Fogg 30th May 2011 16:20

GROUNDHOG,

My previous post refers:

The chopper's business is to provide road and rail transfers hence why this service has lasted for so long, along with providing 'awaydays' for the islanders to go shopping, hairdressers etc. etc. etc. in a mainland town, until now Penzance.

The chopper doesn't, never has, nor does it want to operate a NQY route!!!

diginagain 30th May 2011 16:34

Phileas, wrt helicopter operations, runway headings are largely an irrelevance. Departure and arrival headings will be dependant on the prevailing wind.

Having said that, I'm sure that someone at BIH will have done an environmental impact survey when looking at the suitability of the St Erth site for their operation.

GROUNDHOG 30th May 2011 17:09

Phileas, I am aware of that you are preaching to the converted.

Phileas Fogg 30th May 2011 17:25

Groundhog,

What's going on here is similar to what goes on in other airport threads .... an over enthusiastic airport worker or few taking their work home with them whilst trying to preach that the world cannot survive without their little ol' regional airport. :)

The chopper operates the shortest reasonable distance between two or more suitable landing sites, namely Penzance, St. Mary's and/or Tresco ..... the former airfield of Royal Air Force St. Mawgan does not figure in this equation.

GROUNDHOG 30th May 2011 17:47

Well this is a Newquay thread after all but totally agree with you that there is no need or reason to operate the chopper from St Mawgan. There is no need from Lands End either. If the service survives it can only be from Penzance or very close to it. Sorry NQY but in the unlikely event it ever did happen it wouldn't last five minutes.

I promise not to repeat it again but NQY will only secure a profitable future by attracting ancilliary aviation related or other businesses. It will not please the spotters but that is the cold hard fact.

Spending millions on a new terminal, expensive consultants or re-arranging the deck chairs is not going to make it profitable.

Phileas Fogg 30th May 2011 18:00

I disagree Groundhog, NQY could become profitable if they turned it in to a camping & caravan site, holiday accommodation, theme park etc. :)

Obviously the chopper needs a mainland operating base but, even without a new heliport, I agree that operations to/from NQY would kill it, there are a number of airfields in Cornwall and several of them closer to the Scillies, and a railway, than the other side of St. Mawgan airfield.


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