So in addition to Heathrow and Gatwick we now have London Luton, London Stansed, London Southend and, with a stretch of imagination, London Oxford. I suppose the next iteration of this utter mis-naming nonsense will be Ryanair starting up operations from London Norwich?
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Jet 2 and EasyJet have been using London Newquay for training!
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thumbs up for SEN
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Personally I think this is great news as I've always loved the place but then I'm biased as I learnt to fly there. Way to go SEN - it'll bring more jobs to the area too which can only be good.:D For the detractors remember there's still LOADS of lovely green areas left in Essex - head out to the countryside and enjoy ;) |
You forgot London Manston...
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And let's not forget the S/E corner with "London-Ashford-Lydd" Airport
London Ashford Airport - Offering Airlines, Passengers, Visitors the right services and location. |
Originally Posted by marchino61
(Post 6516984)
True, it's a bit of a stretch to call it London, but on the other hand, the train times into London are similar to Stansted - and if you are going to the Olympics at Stratford, Southend will be faster.
Likewise the train time to London. Southend supporters have made all sorts of equality comparisons with Stansted on this, but by the novel (to them) approach of actually looking at the train timetable, I get the following daytime figures. Stansted most are 46 minutes, Southend most are 53 minutes. The first train out of London Liverpool Street is at 0528, arriving Southend airport station at 0632 (so that's 64 minutes). GIven check-in times of 40 minutes minimum, and allowing time from the station to the desk, you can't use that for any departure before at least 0735. Easy at most bases have dispatched their "first wave" of based departures by that time, so the train will not be a practical option for any of the early flights. The same applies in reverse for typical arrival times back of the last flights of the day. |
SEN Trains - have no fear, Stobart are going to convert some of their trucks into cattle class and run a high speed truck transfer services to move the masses...;)
This new base is just more dilution of the now saturated need for repeats of the same old destinations but from yet another different UK airport. This can only benefit the public (with lower fares), whilst hurting the operator (with diluted yield). Crazy! |
easy at Southend
I would hazard a guess that the 70 weekly flights scheduled to operate from Southend next April will be approximately the 70 weekly flights taken away from Stansted because it looks to me as though they are not going to be any new destinations just a rotation or two taken from the Stansted schedule. Plus of course it looks like the daily Munich flight from Stansted is going to operate from Luton from this winter - hinted at in the press release regarding the new Salzburg service.
Interesting discussion regarding the connecting train services and times. Although Luton does not have a station on site (short bus ride) - you can get to the airport 24 hours per day by train - that is if you wish to do so! |
Stn-Muc i believe is twice daily so may not be a complete transfer to Ltn if in fact it is true.
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Staff transfers from STN to SEN
It will be interesting to hear if many of the flight deck and cabin staff will transfer to working at SEN airport instead of staying at STN.
I guess it just depends on the distance they live from both airports i suppose. |
Will Easy Jet rebrand themselves as Essex Jet ? :p
or use slogans like Fly from SEN as we put the Easy into Essex Girls :p |
Does that imply Easyjet are closing all their other bases and operating solely from Essex?
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racedo, forget the ideas of a rebrand; they're unrealistic. However, a new slogan 'The Only Way is Essex' might go a long way.
Sorry, someone had to say it :O |
How about EaSySEX?
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Code 100
You Baaaaaaaaaaaaaad |
sleasySex
enough of this childish nonsense. a'hem.
I'm very impressed that easyJet has seen the viability in SEN, it shows initiative and vision. Something missing from some other LCC's at the moment and something we haven't seen for a long while. This isn't a BHD base with a copy cat splattering of routes, hoping it will work. This is a measured risk and im sure it will pay off. The potential of SEN to capture a chunk of the London catchment is great and should put the fearof god into London City airport who pride themselves on ripping everyone off as there is no other option for east Londoners/Essex catchments. |
The potential of SEN to capture a chunk of the London catchment is great and should put the fearof god into London City airport who pride themselves on ripping everyone off as there is no other option for east Londoners/Essex catchments. |
According to an interview with Ms McCall, three aircraft will be moved from STN to SEN along with up to 150 crew.
So it looks as though Stansted will see a reduction in EasyJet operations from next spring, whether or not flights are also transferred from Luton. She also mentioned that they have a good deal from SEN, and the cost per passenger is very low. |
Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 6518886)
The potential of SEN to capture a chunk of the London catchment is great and should put the fearof god into London City airport who pride themselves on ripping everyone off as there is no other option for east Londoners/Essex catchments.
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Couldn't agree more. LCY caters for the richer folk living this side of London, even on bucket and spade routes, who don't want the STN - FR / EZY experience and can afford the premium.
STN remains much easier to get to than SEN. The A12 out of London is often a nightmare and the train takes longer than to STN. If EZY gets the fares right though it could be fine. I'd try it for the novelty value alone and the fact that it'll be quieter than STN. And anywhere but Luton I'm afraid. |
Stansted express 46 mins, Liverpool street to Southend Airport around 50 mins. Not much in it really. Bet you can get to the plane quicker at Southend. Bet you can get to the station quicker from the plane at Southend!!
My house to terminal 5 mins. Easy. Regards Phil |
Maybe the train operating company will be able to add a new service where it will stop
at very few train stations along the route, making it faster and shaving a few more mins of the journey time to SEN Airport. Who knows if this will be possible or not. |
My house to terminal 5 mins. Easy. |
true. But ten is better than none.
Regards Phil |
Trains !
There is only a few mins in it WRONG ! The train station at Stansted is under the terminal and the trains I understand are every 15min. The train station at Southend is how far in the wind and rain ? |
under 100 metres I would say. Probably a 2 minute walk, unless of course you are wind and rain assisted, which means probably under one minute.
Regards Phil |
DAZ211 - have you done your research about what is on offer at Southend at all? There are between 2 trains an hour (off-peak) and 7 an hour (peak) between Southend airport station and Liverpool Street. Not greatly different than at Stansted on average I suspect, but bound to be cheaper.
I think I heard that it was 50 something strides from Southend station to the terminal, and it will be a covered walkway too. Station staff are employed by Stobart also, which means that it is all done by the same team. I know which of the two I would choose to travel from given the choice, small and friendly or not so small and friendly. |
The point is covered walk way or not its gonna be cold wet and windy.
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Cold, wet and windy in Southend-on-Sea? Come off it. That's the Essex Riviera you're talking about.
SEN will go from strength to strength, I'm sure. Little effect on STN - but if there is, just look on it as clawing back the flights and jobs which went to STN back in 1970 when Channel AW moved there...... |
Daz, its literally 50 yds station to terminal. My 75 year old mum can do it in under a minute. You either dont know the geography at SEN or youre mischief-making!
One other thing... the fares on stansted express are extortionate, SEN-Liverpool St will be half the price. A lot of people on low-cost airlines are on tight budgets so this will be another factor in their overall costs to fly. Well done to SEN and EZY for this. As someone who lives in the town and flies from the airport I think this is the best news. Good luck to all. |
Luton does OK with its station a mile away so Southend has a big advantage at less the 100m. The issue will be the lack of trains through the night and early morning.
It's 01:20 in the morning at the moment. In the next hour there are 2 departures and 3 arrivals from London 01:22 Bedford On time Details 01:28 London St Pancras International On time Details 01:52 Bedford On time Details 02:18 Bedford On time Details 02:28 London St Pancras International On time Trains to Stansted in the next hour 01:30 London Liverpool Street On time Details Southend there is nothing. If you are an easyjet passenger how are you meant to get to Southend for a departure before 07:15 when the first train from London does not arrive until 06:32? |
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It's a leisurely one minute stroll from the station to the terminal. I suppose it just might be possible - it's very difficult I know - for the rail company to put on earlier and later trains....? And what's all this about wind and rain? This is the Essex Riviera you're talking about - the rain this week was the first for four months.
STN won't be affected too greatly by the growth of SEN, but, even if it is, just look back one last time and see it as returning the flights and jobs which moved from SEN to STN when Channel AW moved in 1970. Much of the passenger numbers will come from Europe using SEN as a convenient London terminal, but don't disregard the local catchment. There's a quarter of a million people within a short distance of SEN and they will be a useful addition to the load factors. STN remains in a rather less densely populated area of the county. Good luck to SEN and EZY - they will be a highly successful partnership, I'm sure. |
easy jet
easy jet run a coach service from london 2 stn, day and night,so it would be no problem for them to run a service from london 2 sen,if flights were to leave before 7.30 in the am
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mikkie -
EasyJet don't run buses - you're confusing them with EasyBus (owned by Stelios). The EasyBus model has changed since it started and I think it's now linked with Green Line coaches. Any routes will be decided by the bus operator, not the airline. |
Just in the last few minutes I've seen EZ land into DUB. Diversion or is there a new service that hasn't been announced? Hope it's a new service but chances are slim I guess.
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I think its in for maintenance. Im sure I read somewhere that a DUB company won the contract to maintain something in the tailplane (or something like that)
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Most of EZY A319 landing gear maintenance is done in DUB.
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Train fares from Liverpool Street
Stansted £21 single Southend £14.30 single (I used Prittlewell as illustration for Southend fare, as the price to the airport station hasn't been loaded into the railway ticket pricing system yet). As to early morning service. It isn't beyond the bounds of possibility for the train operator* to adjust the schedule. I'm sure there used to be an earlier train (first job was in Essex, remember having to do stupdily early start some days). * Now that Dept for Transport micro manage the railways, maybe it is impossible for the train operator to adjust the schedule.... |
Stansted £21 single |
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