yes why is krakow not served from manchester, a pretty busy destination i believe

We live in a mixed economy. Where there is demand, supply will come...

wanna_be_there I see what you are getting at but Easyjet nor any other airline are in the business of providing civic pride by putting destinations on the boards of airports. The problem specifically with MAD and SXF is the fact that they are LPL destinations and they probably wouldn't survive if they were operated from MAN aswell. In the meantime, EZY has to fulfil it's LPL contract and any route failures there makes that even more of an hassle. In the meantime EZY, like any other business, is operating where they believe the profits lie. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but EZY and AY/SK/LH/LX are actually co-existing quite well........in other words, expanding the market.
AMS is probably going to be added to the MAN route mix and people are often crying out for more competition on this route.

Also remember that EZY are looking further afield and if AMM does come off then this will undoubtedly lead to destinations that would otherwise be unlikely to be served from MAN.

Without being too biased, i think you need to give EZY a break. Everyone expected a sea of orange too soon at MAN. They have 5 based aircraft currently with 10 planned by 2012. The base has grown under challenging times together with a very constraining contract signed at LPL.

Good analysis MancRy

I wasnt one of those who expected a sea of orange at MAN. Its contracts with LPL mean Easy were always on an uphill struggle at MAN, as I know they would love to transfer MAD over to MAN but arnt able for example.

I suppose I was just expecting a little more variety from them. So many big routes they could operate, but I suppose if 10 aircraft will be based by 2012, they will add the city routes in time.

With the DSA aircraft comming over in Jan, that would be number 6 for MAN, that means 4 more aircraft due by the start of 2012 if MAN is to have 10 frames. As a rough guess, Id expect aircraft 7 to arrive not long after the DSA frame arrives (maybe an ex NCL one) then 3 more added for summer 2011, keeping the fleet at 10 for winter 11/12. Does that sound reasonable?

On another note, AA are being courted by DFW to serve MAN, so DFW could be for AA what ATL is for DL from MAN. Good connecting flights to south America, and good access to the southern states.

There has never been a contract between Easyjet and Liverpool as some people seem to think.
Easyjet are a reputable company as is LJLA and neither would enter into a contract that would constrict their operations get real you people :ugh:
Easyjets routes from Liverpool do very well load wise, if they think a route could be sustained from both airports they will fly from both if not they wont its logical :rolleyes:

I dont think Easy are an airline who would bow to
Airports asking for certain routes - but I could be wrong!
Surely an airline is looking to make money Easy-ly (!!!) and
not invest in previous discarded routes which are much harder
(costlier)to establish.
Surely people who are worried that duplicating routes at MAN
would kill them - Ryanair or Easyjet.The results are the same -
or does prejudice operate?

MM

It is illegal under UK and EU law for easyJet to sign a contract with Peel or whoever now owns the airport stating that MAN won't affect LPL.

It's a misconception that people have been sprouting on this site for a number of years. Firstly it was that easyJet couldn't operate into MAN at all, then as soon as the airline took over GB Airways and confirmed MAN would remain a base it changed to not restricting LPL growth!:hmm:

The there was ever attempts to put a contract of this sort into play, MAN would have swiftly noted the Competition Commission who would have had a field day. How on earth people think that a company can sign a contract saying they won't use another service is ridiculous!

One of Pprune's longest lasting and most popular gems of cr*p - and there are many!

Jan 11 - 6
Mar 11 - 7
Apr/Jun/Jul 11 - 9
Mar 12 - 10

That would be my guess, certainly the 10th coming in March 2012 - maybe even the 9th!

Would be very interesting and a likely addition post-ATI. However, would a 767-300ER be economically viable or would it be better to wait for the 787? I would certainly expect this to come with the introduction of the revolutionary aircraft.

I also believe that MAN will be one of the main benefactors of the 787. LHR is full, London as a whole is pretty much full now thanks to Cameron and co. The only way that the UK can supposedly "open for business" is for it to be sent via MAN! The 787 will make PEK, PVG, HKG, DFW, NRT etc. all viable links to the city. I'm not saying I expect them to arrive! I am just saying that they would certainly become more economically viable.

As you say, airlines are there to make money, not just to satisfy an airport's ego.

The main problem for Ryanair in the NW is that easyJet are growing a considerable dual base, taking marker share and reducing the impact of the Irish airline which has a policy of being very in the face which it needs as part of it's marketing strategy. Remember easyJet's plans for an MAD base? Ryanair were quick to follow. However, it could be argued that easyJet has a dual base in Paris yet Ryanair don't seem to want to commit yet have probably their busiest non-base there. Maybe something to do with the employment laws that easyJet find so frustrating over there?

The only way for Ryanair to combat easyJet's growth it to look into expanding in the region themselves. Liverpool is unable to support a number of routes that Ryanair would probably want to operate from the region. MAN would most likely offer the airline 12 months subsidies as with most based carriers and would also insist on them paying their way as they did before. Just look at Valencia - Ryanair do backtrack!

This could become a situation not seen before in Europe: an airport holding Ryanair hostage.

It all comes down to how much Ryanair want to commit to the North West, the UK's second largest region...interesting times lay ahead!:ok:

There is an agreement in place.....it's been acknowledged by Easy management. That is why LPL and MAN have been having aicraft added simultaneously and is basically why DSA has Easyjet flights today.

Loads out of LPL are indeed good but that doesn't mean that MAD from both LPL and MAN is sustainable, not least by the same airline.

Those who moan about EZY's choice of routes should be comforted by the fact that MAN has been the pioneer of long distance flights that are gradually being seen right across the network together with relatively new Easy destinations such as HEL and (if true) GOT.

You mean a 'gentleman's agreement?' [Are we still allowed to say that by the way? Or is it sexist?]

A gentleman's agreement by easyJet management doesn't have to be kept. If easyJet discovered that MAN was making large sums of money they would certainly look at taking advantage, whatever LPL said. What are they going to go? Take them to court over an 'agreement?' or if they DID sign a contract, be laughed out of court by the judge and straight into the hands of the CC.

Besides, LPL has passed hands now as well as easyJet gaining a new CEO meaning there maybe changes in the future.

As I said before, it's going to be interesting!:ok:

MUFC_fan

'interesting times lay ahead' - Agreed.

MM

(PS: Could you remind me what the 787 looks like/
its performance targets etc...'cause its been quiet for
some time now!!).

With regards to DFW.

A B763 would be required due to the range, but dont forget some factors that will help it out:

The BA/AA ATI
Cargo (the figures keep going up and up)
Pax loads in general are picking up, to the point the DL154/155 will revert back to a B767-300 in August.

The connections at DFW will be pentiful (AA's biggest hub and very convinient for South America and Carribean Connections, as well as West Coast cities)

Yes a B787 will be ideal, but it seems to be a long way off and if DFW give AA the incentives to start the route, AA could well make it work.

In terms of Ryanair, they are starting to backtrack on previous reductions, as per Valencia. The fact they can see easy, baby and Jet2 doing so well at MAN will only tempt them more. The load factors on HHN, MRS, BRE and NRN were particularly high for them, with DUB being so high its in their top 10 of figures and they could not bring themselfs to cut it along with the other 10 routes.

Time will tell for all the current rumours! :ok:

Very true. However, although South American connections may be quite lucrative, Caribbean are not so and are pretty much covered via LGW/TOM/MON/TCX/VS etc. certainly for where those in Northern England visit.

I just can't see it happening. Why not just increase ORD back to a 767 or JFK as a 767.

If DFW are bothered about MAN, they must be desperate! I don't mean that in a bad way, but surely there are more destinations that they want before MAN?! Unless they are all Man United fans down at Fort Worth! :ok:

I really hope it does come off, just cannot see it before the 8 replaces the 6...

LH DUS-MAN will increase to 22 weekly flights (+ 5 weekly) from November.

Good news ref DUS-MAN flights, however, why are LH stopping their afternoon Hamburg flight? I thought they were doing well with that? I fly to Hamburg a few times a year on business (I work for Airbus UK). and that flight was ideal and cheaper.

Also, how are the night time taxiway improvements coming along? When the completion date for this and the re-surfacing of 23R/05L? How's things at Gate 12 Pier B?

Hamburg
 

Maybe rumour of an EZY MAN-HAM is true, if Lufthansa are dropping one rotation.(?)

HAM-MAN will be operated as indicated in the CRS. 3 times/day.

AA have flown MAN-DFW before, using a B763, but it only lasted a couple of seasons if I remember correctly. Must have been 8-10 years ago. They also tried MAN-MIA, and a second daily ORD for a time. Hopefully they can now build something longer-lasting at MAN as the LHR options dry up.

Don't think AA's options are at LHR are drying up. If anything the BA-AA-IB joint venture could mean AA opening new B757 routes into LHR from medium-sized US cities. However the joint venture also makes it more attractive to expand outside of London as well, since BA have an incentive to make new flights work

AirHumberside - Understand about the AA/IB/BA thing, but with what slots? LHR is staying as a two-runway airport and has finite slots. Hence limited options for AA growth there.

What you will probably find is that where both AA and BA have an aircraft going to the same destination within an hour or so of each other, then BA will operate it given that they have the larger aircraft at their disposal and so be able to get a theoretical full aircraft than 2 aircraft that may be just over half full. Thus AA would have a "free" slot to start a new service.

No different to how DL has used AF slots to expand at LHR. AF still get benefit from this through their joint venture, so BA may well let AA use some slots in order to enhance the overall LHR operation. Effectively AA would be operating routes on BA's behalf - like PIT-CDG operated by DL which without AF would not be in the DL network

Escape Lounge
 

I see the new Escape Lounge in T1 is ready to open in the morning?
Anyone had a look yet?
Any idea if they have any airlineslined up to use it?

Escape Lounge
 

As I understand it, the lounge is intended for the general public who are willing to pay to 'escape' the crowds. I don't think it was ever intended to be a 'business' lounge for any airline.

CSA Reduction
 

CSA Czech airlines are to reduce their Prague service from 6 to 2 times per week from 11th July.

The flight will operate inbound OK646 on days 2 and 5
and outbound as OK647 on days 3 and 6.

The service is looking to be suspended again over winter from 30 Oct 2010

Doorplane, i had the chance to go see the lounge on tuesday, however as my work collleague was away and i am manning the office alone, was unable to go..... :{

Hard lines Dave - I heard they had sausage butties for all!! I've seen some pics on the facebook site and have to say it does look quite impressive (credit where credit is due) and at the price they are currently pushing it at, it's got to be a no-brainer compared to Servisair's bowl of nuts and a fridge of drinks.
Well done MAN.

Hi Guys

Well just wanted to ask a really quick question if i could.
I am coming to MAN next fri as flying to Varadero with TCX and as this is a long flight has MAN airport got any smoking area at all ?
I know EMA does with an outside area once through departures and with them being owned MAG i wondered if MAN airport has something similiar ?
Any help is most appreciated

Thankyou.

Bugger! so i missed out on sausage sarnies as well..........

My colleague has got a lot of explaining to do when she gets back off holiday!

Mike16, i've not been through MAN for a while, but as far as i am aware, absolutely NOWHERE TO SMOKE once you go through security. I'm sure someone will either confirm this, or set me straight on the issue. If it is still the case, may i suggest some nicotine gum, and plenty of it........... lol

HXDave

there is a smoking area in t2 departures gate 300. but im not sure about terminal1

T1 will eventually have a smoking area on top of C-pier (where the etihad and emirates aircraft park).

Not sure if its open or will be open soon.

There is a smoking area in T1 - head to the end of the main concourse and up the escalator to the main food court where Giraffe is located. It's signposted from there. Boots sell Nicorette if it's lashin it down outside

If Emirates and Etihad are parked on top of C pier, there won't be much room for the smokers!:eek:

well, the engines are to be used as extractor fans, did you not get briefed on the latest plans :rolleyes:

lol oh you lot are so funny, i love your sense of humour, and thankyou all for helping me, i wil ltry and keep away from the engines don't want to be sucked off..... lol

T1 has an airside smoking area, outside - but covered - upstairs near the restaurants.

Just looking at the PDF timetable for MAN and showed a daily LHR-MAN Sri lankan airlines flight on an A310 at 6:35 with no codeshare, is this real???

mufc4evr - if it helps the flight does not, or has not, operated and I don't think they even have A310's !

I think its an error for 2 reasons:

UL dont have the A310 anymore
Typing UL2581 into google shows it as a bmi codeshare on the BD581

Would be nice to think they did serve here on their own metal however.

thanks for the quick reply.

I thought it was an error