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StoneyBridge Radar 4th Feb 2009 10:16

Just off at a slight tangent, but seeing as KLM and LPL was brought up in the discussion, the route is unavailable after Oct24th. Staff at MAN are under the impression that the whole winter network schedule has been loaded, so is it going to be a one season wonder?

Ametyst2 4th Feb 2009 11:50

KLM are having an official launch of the Liverpool to Amsterdam service at a civic ceremony in Liverpool Town Hall next Monday. The airline will be continuing the service beyond October and are particularly pleased with advanced bookings particularly inbound to Liverpool.

BHX5DME 4th Feb 2009 12:29

Manchester - January Traffic
 
Pax - 1,203,647 down 10.63% (or 143k pax on Jan 08)
Movements - 13,042 down 15.60% (or 2,400 down on Jan 08)
Freight - 12,216 down 42.13 %
:(

StoneyBridge Radar 4th Feb 2009 13:36


The airline will be continuing the service beyond October and are particularly pleased with advanced bookings particularly inbound to Liverpool.
Thanks. Is there an official source for this, as it differs from what I've been advised. :confused:

Regards

Ametyst2 4th Feb 2009 13:38

Yes, the official source was from a meeting I attended with KLM officials last week

Keyvon 4th Feb 2009 14:46

easyJet has added Dalaman, Turkey from Manchester. 3 times weekly from 6th Aug.

mickyman 4th Feb 2009 15:19

Shed

You are missing the point.A spotters 'wisdom' is not
used by airlines looking at new services - I hope!
If a service exists then it is a success unless it is
terminated.Several airlines have tried to operate
to Madrid from Manchester and have failed.
The only airline in the current climate that might sustain this
route would be Easyjet - but they fly from Liverpool.
KLM are indeed starting Liverpool / Amsterdam for
the very reasons that have been stated.Lets just
see how long it lasts........I have heard whispers....

MM

chiglet 4th Feb 2009 15:53

mickyman,

Several airlines have tried to operate
to Madrid from Manchester and have failed.
Quite true, but why did they fail?
BA (B737)...80% load
BA[R] (Ba146).. 80% load
IBE (CRJ) .....90% load
Even my cat could make a profit with those figures....


A spotters 'wisdom' is not
used by airlines looking at new services
Calling shed a "Spotter" is like calling Crufts Champion a mutt :=
He is one of the most erudite, professional and knowledgeable people I know..[sorry shed] so I must spring to his defence.
watp,iktch

Skipness One Echo 4th Feb 2009 16:28


Quite true, but why did they fail?
BA (B737)...80% load
BA[R] (Ba146).. 80% load
IBE (CRJ) .....90% load
Even my cat could make a profit with those figures....
Well obviously they got tired of all those Manchester profits OR the yield wasn't great and they went elsewhere.....

Give your pussy a go and see how far you get....

pwalhx 4th Feb 2009 17:04

The obvious answer is Easyjet could probably make a god of Madrid from Manchester but wont as they already operate from Liverpool.

Don't shoot me in flames for saying this but at one time I am sure I read somewhere that approaching 50% of the users of LPL came from Greater Manchester

Ametyst2 4th Feb 2009 17:42

I was at a presentation before Christmas and they quoted CAA figures that stated that 18% of Liverpool's traffic was from Greater Manchester. they also gave figures for Cheshire, Lancashire, North Wales et al. I will try and dig the figures out and post them here.

mickyman 4th Feb 2009 18:24

Chiglet re:The shed

'tis a pity he does not translate well onto PPrune then
if your description is true - or is he over you in a
management position perhaps.

I thank the one or two contributors who have backed
my comments up.

MM

warringtonian 4th Feb 2009 21:06

Let's be optimistic about the LJLA - AMS KLM service mickyman, it takes time to build a new route and this is pretty much unchartered territory for them.:) Very good news today about Maersk moving their UK HQ from London to Liverpool, it is that kind of private sector growth in the region that will help provide the impetus for new routes like this and should also help with MAN's business traffic as well.

(How do you quote to reply?....? )

Vuelo 4th Feb 2009 21:34

EZY announce MAN-DLM

Mouser 4th Feb 2009 22:50

Vuelo, this is fantastic news for Manchester things are really looking up.

conflier 4th Feb 2009 23:38

I think I heared a wisper that 25% of MAN pasengers came frome liverpool. Rumors are great;)

Vuelo 5th Feb 2009 12:04

More EZY routes to come, from non based a/c.

chiglet 5th Feb 2009 15:48

Micky,
No shed is NOT management, nor over me, tho' he can get a tiny bit pedantic at times....:ok:

Vuelo 5th Feb 2009 18:01

Is he the sexy guy that runs WW?

GOAROUNDMAN 5th Feb 2009 21:58

Third LHR runway will prevent regional expansion article
 
Surprised nobody noticed this is:

Third runway at Heathrow would prevent expansion at regional airports

Third Heathrow runway would scupper Stansted and Glasgow expansion - Times Online


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