Cityflyer Man-Lcy
 

Any idea when this will be confirmed one way or another?

MAN - Future
 

It's clear that MAN's arrogant position in the past is now coming back to bite it on the backside as LCC's or at least the big boys are firmly settled down the road.

But is this entirely negative? from a strategic point of view MAN needs to clarify it's offering to world airlines and without a home based airline this needs careful planning and consideration.

It needs to make itself attractive to the internationals and give them something extra.....

As no UK airport currently has US Immigration clearance could this be somthing? I'm sure there are lots of legalities but with the amount of UK Border Agency trials the airport is involved in they surely must have the right contacts. This may not have a direct impact on LHR traffic but would give them an edge over other regionals both within the UK and the rest of Europe.

Second issue is O&D vs Connecting traffic, as the LCC "big boys" have stayed away we have ended up with a reasonable LCC alternative in the form of flybe (I Know they have their faults but which arirline doesnt!).

Flybe are in a strong position and they do already offer connections, they have experience of Code Share with BA, AF, CO and the inclusive pricing necessary for this sector of the market.

Most importantly they are not alligned to any alliance.

This could play to Manchesters perceived weakness of piecemeal operators using the airport, Flybe could become the Alaska of NW UK with codeshares to its onward network. As a result we may also eventually see new destinations and the return of old favourites which would not be relying solely on O&D traffic.

Obviously BA with its 15% stake in Flybe may not want passengers being able to conncet outside of LHR but with the right offering and potentially a two way push between flybe and MAN management this could give the airport what it craves and needs.

A three way proposal including US pre-clearance would be the icing on the cake. Even in the current economic and aviation climate this could be a win win all round.

Any thoughts (and leave the flames for someone else please) :)

I wouldn't bank on BE being of much help.

Despite talk to the contrary they have not expanded at MAN either with frequency or routes. The fact is they have retreated.

"Europes largest Regional" airline as the call themselves seem to want to be less regional and it is clear that they now have other fish to fry and are going to be concentrating their efforts at LGW. That is where the expansion is going to be and not in the regions as recent developments have shown

I could be wrong and hope I am wrong but they have so far done little for MAN in my opinion

Ian .. I think you'll find that that the issue is the UK Govt. will not permit this as it regards the operation of US immigration officials on UK soil as an infringement of sovereignty!!

As I understand it where it operates in Eire the area where the US officials operate is formally designated as territory under US govt. authority.... the UK willl not permit this (outside of Grosvenor Square!).


One might consider this a strangely reticent position to be taken by a "semi-detached" State of the U.S. :E

Incorrect.

Correct. As per request from SQ at MAN to give them a Friday SQ327 to Changi as before.

:ok:

One of the best ones this year. :D

it was a diversion contract for JAL, not an actual route proposal, also we commence operations with thomas cook in march.

G-STAW

MANflyer re G-STAW

This guy does have a track record in relation
to Manchester news and is only trying to live
up to it!!

MM

Which is why USAF airbases are designated RAF XXXX
bb

maplc
 

just bto say that the man-jfk 1503 was always full and usually 6 tonnes of freight but got rid of by political and costfixings/all of which were manufactured by london/we all knew the jfk service was the most profitable 767 in the fleet but willie decided to use a slot in jfk for a lgw serrvice/by getting rid of man based crew the costs were then said tobe ""excessive"/of course they were but it was part of a m,aster plan/as for bmi the open skies was only a matter of time to use the big a/c in london/both ba and bmi have crap standsa t man and a re frequently delayed by up to 15 minutes trying to push in the cul de sac

That'll be the pubs shut then....

So what's included in a 'diversion contract'?

Doubt we will ever see such a diversion with JL arrivals midday, unless of course London gets a dusting of snow ;)

From what I can remember contracts with handling agencies,coach companies, hotels
and restaurants are put in place at various diversion fields incase of exactly that so they don`t have to go getting quotes and things are put on standby as soon as the weather deteriorates

Ian

Thanks for that. I'd not appreciated the infrastructure required for a diversion particularly in the light that recent diversions are mainly 'splash & dash'.

AF/VLM/Cityjet are disposing off some LCY and AMS slots to Eastern, but otehr than that the deal has been allowed through by the OfT

hi guys

i read this interesting report on airliners.net http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4250997/

I think some one should forward the report to MAN hierarchy.

a.net
 

I can't get the link to open but there was a thread today of why
Air India should make Manchester a hub.

If it is that one, it will rank as one of the funniest reads over Christmas -brilliant but unfortunately I think it is supposed to be serious.

There are one or two excellent posters on a.net but this kind of thing is what ruins it for them..........



Pete

I read that "10,000 words of my own ideas to the board of Air India why I think they should have a hub at Manchester." Now I am something of an enthusiast but that gives us all a bad name. Alas I refuse to pay the fee to tell them that....

Read it if you can it's priceless!

ZB
 

Can anyone tell me what size aircraft wil operate the ZB morning service to AGP on 17th jan ? returning 21st??
thanks

Midnight Moonlight
 

From which airport ?

surely the thread title is the give away for departure airport...?

just for those then a little less simple correct
Manchester?

A321 both ways - you can tell this by proceeding as if you were booking on Monarch's website and viewing the seat chart for this aircraft :ok:

aww thanks
that will be good not been on a a321 for ages, if i have at all haha, dont think so.once i think

747 freighter
 

Was that an airbridge 747 boxing day morning. If so what was the reason for its visit. Thanks sparky

Air Bridge 744F
 

Vp-big

Bhx5dme

Anyone know about the rumoured S7 route from MAN this summer?

Nice wish, but that is first I have heard of it

Ian

s7 wont happen as there is no government permissions for the route. Currently MAN has the rights for cargo only.

also, Ghana Airlines B757 due in to MAN today, in at 18:00, out mon 10:00 as AEU003p/004p

When is the slot handback?

3 New routes from easyJet and more to follow - alledgedly
 

easyJet - new routes available on the website;

MAN - Corfu
MAN - Bastia
MAN - Athens

and more to follow soon I hear!!!!

Ivor:ok:

EZY New Routes...
 

more meat on the bones...

MAN - Corfu starts May 1 x weekly
MAN - Bastia starts Aug 1 x weekly
MAN - Athens start Aug 2 x weekly

A day flight to ATH - at last !

Prices look good, for now...

Manchester December 08 Traffic Stats
 

Pax - 1,267,494 down 10.45%

2008 Pax Total - 21,406,442 down 4.27%

Movements - 13,031 down 13.58%

Freight - 9,072 tonnes down 36.73%

MAN Retail investment 08/07 +148%

Gotta hand it to those clever MAN airport managers...they have messed up big time, wrong time. Thought they were running a shopping mall with runways....

Guess they still received their annual bonus payments a few days ago. From the local taxpayers.

Now for something completely different... Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about the possible return of Mahan Air to Manch? Heard a faint whisper that they may be looking at coming back in the first half of 09.

Roy Hudd -

Further to your posting *395, perhaps you could expand on exactly what you mean by Manchester Airport's management having "messed up big time, wrong time"? I may possibly agree with your final conclusions, but all I see from your posting is a damning conclusion with no presentation of supporting evidence.

I presume that you have some difficulty with the concept of Manchester Airport increasing its revenue streams from non-aviation activities such as retail? But why? Is it not eminently sensible for the business to increase income via all possible channels to help the airport weather a global economic crisis of epic proportions?

Yes, passenger numbers and cargo tonnage have fallen (and they will fall further). Yes, airline companies have retrenched or ceased trading (and others will follow). Yes, Manchester has endured considerable pain (and that will continue). But conditions driven by the global economic situation are not within the control of Manchester Airport's management. All they can do is mitigate damage caused to the business by protecting and nurturing those revenue streams which they do have the ability to influence. Increasing the retail take seems one entirely sensible way of doing this; the remaining 20 million plus annual passenger throughput and the several thousand staff still have worthwhile (if reduced) spending power. Maybe they will trade down from luxury goods to utility goods, but ultimately many will spend, and if they do so at Manchester Airport so much the better.

An airport is a business with very high fixed costs which MUST be paid regardless of economic conditions. If retail can help to achieve service of these costs at a time when revenue from the aviation side of the business is contracting, then I say bring it on! I am not averse to criticizing airport managers on occasions when that is merited (MAN's famous never-functioning lifts/escalators etc!), but on the matter of encouraging retail expansion I can't fault their logic.

The UK economy is in a deep recession; other key economies are similarly afflicted. Transition to global economic depression cannot be ruled out. In these circumstances, air services to Manchester (and elsewhere) will be adversely impacted. The airport management don't like that situation any more than you or I, but it is completely beyond their control. This is a problem caused by criminal irresponsibility at the highest levels of the international banking sector, complicit regulators and clueless politicians. It is not the fault of MAG. All they can do is protect their business from the resulting economic fallout to the best of their ability. I cannot fault them for seeking to increase revenues from all areas of the business - including retail - at this difficult time. I can't see how that can be described as "messing up big time, wrong time." The management response makes complete sense to me.

I would welcome a response to clarify your position on this issue.

Cheers, SHED.

Added Comment: Re Bonus Payments to MAN Airport Management Personnel. If any such payments have been made (and I don't know whether that is the case or not) then they will not be borne by the taxpayer. Indeed, over recent years Manchester Airport has been a substantial net contributor to the funding of the ten local authorities comprising Greater Manchester through the payment of regular dividends. This has made the council tax burden on local taxpayers LESS than it would otherwise have been. The airport also makes voluntary contributions (sponsorships etc) to several community schemes in its surrounding districts. MAG is not a drain on taxpayers in Greater Manchester. And nationally, MAG has paid regular taxes to the exchequer on its annual profits to the benefit of the wider community.

I know wikipedia isnt the most reliable of sources but i read on there that Royal Brunei has the authority to operate to MAN 4xWeekly.

Is this true?

They have had the rights for a while, but are yet to use them (And I dont think they will)

Also, Delta using the B767-400 MAN-ATL:

Delta 65
Boeing 767-400ER
In-Flight Services
Coach (H)
View Seats


Taken from Delta.com themselves

links don't work:sad: