MAN = Manchester Airport.
MCR = City of Manchester.
Regards,
Jubilee

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Delta are to launch flights from Manchester City Airport(formally Barton Aerodrome) twice daily with the Boeing 777-200 aircraft.:rolleyes:

MAN is the forum not the city. PLEASE can we use the codes properly if we are to use them please.

You assume that Mcr was used to refer to an airport code, many people from the city like myself abbreviate Manchester to Mcr. Had that occured to you all.

Anybody know anymore information about the new airline from the airport next year - Thomson Airways, and what are the reductions going to be from the airport?

P.S. MAN isn't in 'Mcr.'

Manchester Airport straddles the boundaries of at least 3 areas, part is within the city of Manchester, part the borough of Trafford and part the county of Cheshire last i remember

you really arnt getting it are you? ok actually i should refrain from posting internal matters as SOME information COULD lead to just rumors, whats this site called again?


you have outdone yourself again, another idiotic statement please get a life and grow up!

Thomson and first choice are still in the early stages of integration. All FCA/TOM flights are being operated by mixed TOM and FCA crew, they are having a few teething problems.The first aircraft will be painted "in new livery" around may 1st 2009.

The current figures bouncing around is that all 733's will go from MAN plus a few 757/767's, the exact figure is yet to be determined.

G-STAW

The "MCR" is [or was] the NDB on the airfield. :ok:
watp,iktch

Man Ndb
 

Wasn't that the MCH 428.0 ??

The whole of the Manchester Airport site lies within (or should that be stops within) the City of Manchester, except the bit of 05R/23L to the west of the Bollin River which is in Macclesfield Borough, Cheshire. The Trafford Boundary stays North and West of the M56 and always has.

The old South Side Hangars and some of the airfield used to be in Cheshire as the County Boundary ran through the middle of the airfield - however that was changed - I think in the 1980s? - and the boundary amended to follow the security fence so the whole airfield was in Manchester.

When R2 opened, with the Cheshire/Manchester boundary running along the Bollin Valley to the west, some of the airport territory was once again in Cheshire.

I wonder if there are any current moves afoot to once again align the Manchester Boundary along the security fence so the Airport land is once again wholly within the control of Manchester City Council? :}

Suzeman

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but since the collapse of Zoom, does anyone know which carrier is going to operate the ski charter (Weds/Sat) to Calgary this winter? (If it's been decided yet...)

I agree entirley G-STAW. Part of my original quote is below and like you said it is the minority that always spoil for the rest. It is my understanding that Flybe are suffering with the militancy of engineers, flight and cabin crew who may i add are ex BA and originated from Dan Air. It is these martyrs that spoil it for the rest, as an example.



Really? That's odd because FLYBe's Engineers tend to be from MANX. Those who are EX-BA are generally not old enough to be from DAN Air, which became defunct about 500 years ago. Total, utter, garbage posting.

Passport control
 

Manchester has been voted the worst airport in the country for delays at Passport control by passengers according to ukairportdelays.co.uk.
According to the disgruntled passengers, Manchester Airport is the worst place in the UK to fly home to because of the passport problems. A quote from the Manchester Evening News: ‘Every time I arrive back at Manchester the delays at immigration are unbelievable. They are usually understaffed and a wait of about 30 to 40 minutes is the norm’

I haven't witnessed any long delays myself when arriving at Manchester as I've been fortunate recently to arrive at a relatively quiet time. Perhaps that is the problem with a rush of flights in a terminal for an hour then nothing the next hour. Do the Immigration Officers move between the teminals during their shift as demand requires?

This web-site is quite unrelaible as the data inputed cannot be verified. About a year ago there were some strange figures for delays put on this web-site for both Manchester and Liverpool Airports. The resultant figures showed that both Liverpool and Manchester were the worst for security/immigration/baggage delays in the UK.

Liverpool Airport investigated and found the an individual was making several entries each day even though it was inpossible to fly through the airport that many times in a day

On one occasion the poster had claimed a 40-minute queue for security (CCTV showed it was 12 minutes) at 06:30 in the morning and then the poster claimed to arrived back at Liverpool Airport at 08:35 (45-minute delay for immigration and 35-minute wait for baggage). It was a false claim as it is impossible to depart on a flight from Liverpool after 06:30 and arrive back at Liverpool at 08:35. On the day in question there were no delays at immigration or baggage reclaim at that time as no flights had arrived.

Several similar postings were posted on other days for both Manchester and Liverpool. Sounds like someone with a grudge.

Ametyst1

I was reading your last post. The comment that you made saying that it is impossible to depart at 0630 and arrive back at 0835. Well if the passenger was flying Liverpool/Dublin/Liverpool on the FR443 at 0630 and arriving back into Liverpool on the FR442 at 0835, this would be possible, however, who would want to do this? Could be a Ryanair employee on Staff travel who is doing a flight for pleasure?? But they wouldn't have any luggage.

Bizarre one!

And they would not have time to re-board the flight at Dublin now that arriving and departing passengers are segregated on Pier D where Ryanair now operate from

SQ and T1
 

- SQ obviously moving to T1 with QR(within 2 years)

Not so sure where you get 'obviously' from, although you give yourself a better chance of being right by saying 'within 2 years'. I'll have to try that one myself...

There is nothing confirmed about SQ moving to T1. All that's happened is they have been asked - again - would they move to T1. It is worth noting they have knocked this request back a number of times over the last few years.

My mate who had his family ski trip from Manchester booked on Zoom got called by Neilson and offered money back, Air Canada from LHR or Monarch from LGW......judging by that I'd say no-one has taken it up yet, although as an employee of Thomas Cook he has heard a little 'rumour' of A330 doing it (MyTravel as was)

Qatar within two years, not SQ

MAN have said they want all shedules to T1 with 4 years, see what happens...

G-STAW

Immigration
 

The queue for immigration was back to gate 22 late last Tuesday evening, as well as down the stairs at gate 20 arrivals. Whilst spending my time apologising to many unhappy passengers, I happened to speak to a number of well travelled individuals who informed me that they've seen a similar scenario, and in some cases alot worse, at other UK airports. Luton & Stansted were mentioned numerous times amongst others. The new government guidelines on entry requirements and the need to scan passports is slowing everything down. On this occasion there were 6 arrivals in total, over 1000 pax trying to get through immigration all at once is a recipe for disaster. The current setup cannot cope with that volume of passengers and that can be said for T2 as well. But what can you do? Change the schedules so that arrivals are staggered? Redevelop the immigration area to accomodate more people? All but one of the desks were manned so on this occasion it wasn't a staffing issue. Ultimately it can also be concluded that you are going to get a higher percentage of angry passengers at the arrivals stage than at departures. People are tired after a long flight, unhappy to be back home after a relaxing holiday and are not high spirited like departing passengers. Therefore it makes sense that you are going to get a greater number of complaints regarding the immigration process.

As a side note, I also agree that the above mentioned website is inaccurate. There have been recent complaints on there stating that the queue for security in T1 exceeded an hour. I can tell you that since the new OBC opened, the security queue has not exceeded 30 minutes and over 20 mins has been a rarity.

So im following the logic of your response and will
now wait till the 29/8 - to give you enough time to
change your mind again.

Is that okay?

PS. I always find that rumours where the poster is
right at the heart of service decisions can sometimes
lead to false/inacurate/wide-boy opinions passing
as 'gospel' - namely your posts.

PPS. It must be a challenge having everybody running up to
you and telling you their airlines latest news - how do you
cope?

MM

What a complete and utter 100 % bonified class 1 professional TOSSPOT.

If you have nothing constructive to add then please concentrate on doing your homework, we both know that if you dont get some "A's" in your forthcoming GCSE's then your mummy will be most cross.

Now toddle off back to wherever it is you reside and find a large rock to hide under.

MAN have said they want all shedules to T1 with 4 years, see what happens...

That's a bit different to the previous statement that they are 'obviously' moving over. ;)

As I said, they have asked SQ would they move over a few times now, and each time they said no. This was due to them being less than impressed with the state of T1.

They may well move over eventually, I think they will, as they have asked a few regular pax about it (and MAN have been telling them about getting a mini *A hub going over there) but as it stands at this moment, they are not.

FlyBe
 

FlyBe are introducing once weekly Sunday flight to Friedrichshafen to cater for the skiing fraternity. Flights start mid December.

Manofman

"What a complete and utter 100 % bonified class 1 professional TOSSPOT.

If you have nothing constructive to add then please concentrate on doing your homework, we both know that if you dont get some "A's" in your forthcoming GCSE's then your mummy will be most cross.

Now toddle off back to wherever it is you reside and find a large rock to hide under."

Read your own posts before you comment

mm

The Birmingham thread has a rumour that Air India is to cease flights in October from BHX ?

Could MAN be a recipient of a new Air India service ?

Read your own posts before you comment

Well MM, some(most) would argue that my post was constructive, afterall it put you in you place....something i never get tired of seeing !!

Reading back, most of your posts lack information and seem only to try to rubbish and pick holes in other peoples posts, posters that are genuinly trying to pass rumours accross a rumour board. All your posts do is try top stir up trouble by nit picking at others posts.

Why ??

Mickyman/Manofman

Please give it a break and take your fight off-group. Not sure why you both want the internet masses to observe your squabble. I just want to read something relevant to Manchester Airport business progression/regression.

Many thanks

Cut each other a bit of slack guys.

He does have a point in that some newer posters on here seem to enjoy their "insider" role, who rush home from shift just to post what they'd been told by a friend who knows someone who they can't name who is the manager of leaking toilets in Terminal One, which invariably turns out to be false rumour or just wishful thinking.

It doesn't take Einstein to see that those really in the know on PPRUNE tend to keep schtum until something is about to be officially released.

It's basic wheat and chaff; all you need is a huge rake to remove the crap, because once that's done, the quality posts are still there. :ok:

Well said Mr Stoneybridge :ok:

Now then, B777 said

If you read that thread, particularly a post from OltonPete, you will see that AI look like re-trenching in the UK, dropping BHX and possibly LHR-JFK. They are getting 777LR which allows more India - North America non stops which is basically what the BHX flight is (onward to YYZ).

In addition it would appear that they are looking at MUC as a European hub rather like Jet have set up at BRU. If all this is corect and they can't make BHX work with a massive local market, I would very much doubt whether they would even look at MAN. However, and unlike some others on this thread, I would be delighted to be proved wrong ....:cool:

On another tack, the August figures are already available on the airport website and don't make good reading. Movements down 10%, pax by 4.5% and freight by 20% :{ I'm surprised they have appeared so quickly, but there again there is less to count. :}

12-month moving average is Movements -6%, Pax -1% and Freight still +2%

Suzeman

I am not suprised with the freight figure one bit.

With the amount of airlines that pulled it was always going to happen, these will start to re-commence so that figure is only a temp blip and should not be read into too much.

Does anyone know what stopped inbounds this afternoon @1400l. ATC said something about a high priority aircraft.

Cheers

DAYNE holding

Could the UK departure tax have something to do with the airline choosing continental bases over bases in the UK?

Bit harsh closing the airfield for UK departure tax. That G Brown has a lot to answer for:mad:

The Police helicopter was the culprit, operating over Stockport and blocking the aproach - nowt more exciting i'm afraid.

Sorry, I meant Jet and other Eastern airlines having European bases on the continent rather than in the UK, maybe it is something to do with the departure tax that is currently in place.

350PAX x £10 = £3500 which is a lot of money to use everyday!

We were on inbound Thomson flight from Dubrovnik, all we were told that it was 'a security operation', fortunately not in holding for too long. We were told they had to start taking traffic as many aircraft had been holding for too long.
If EGGC is right, and I don't doubt it, perhaps the local constabulary could look at other ways of nicking crims.

GMP needed to fly the Islander over the 23 approach due to a hot pursuit / moving target. Unfortunately the low cloud base required the aircraft to operate at a lower level and this affected inbound MAN traffic. Due to the nature of the incident, a ground pursuit was not possible.

An inbound Jet2 733 couldn't wait and diverted to LBA for a splash-n-dash. Must be that Ryanair-type fuel policy again!!!!

Anyone know how many passengers Zoom carries through Manchester?

ZOOM=0 pax

Re Thomson and G-STAWs response:

There are no teething problems regarding the operation (a few arguments re pensions though!:}). That is all done an dusted. Cabin Crew about to start intergration for May 09. Uncertain as to if FCA CC will operate 737 as there is heated discussion there too. All the arguments get left on the aircraft steps though.:ok:

Currently mixed FCA / TOM Flight Deck crew on 756 only although first batch of FCA pilots about to start 73 conversion.

IIRC, there will be 5 less airframes which I believe will be -2 X 737, -2 X 757 and -1 X 767. That is all subject to change. Latest rumoured change is actually more 73s.

No more rumours about it not working or whole fleets being dumped from bases - both are way off the mark:=:rolleyes:

That was the latest info i had, glad its got sorted.
are these some of the A320 guys going over to the 737?

You probably know more than me about the cutbacks, it does looked like things have changed alot since last month. i do think the 737's will go, especially with the A320's +737-800 still based at MAN, them alone should cover the 733's winter and summer 09 schedules.

Also the above cuts look to be minimal, my company expected it to be more servere.


cheers for the info, much appriciated,

G-STAW