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French ATC perhaps!?

May well have been avoiding French airspace as they are playing up, but the routing itself is not that unusual, TCX quite often depart/arrive the canaries via the Irish Sea - I believe that there is a cost/ benefit equation based on fuel vs route charges.

Yes happens a lot, infact the Air Portugal A330 from LIS to MAN came
over DUB the other day

Ian

Another excellent year for freight at EMA, 2015 saw it rise by 4.5 per cent to 322,918 tonnes, the highest in its 50-year history.

Balair

Surprised no advertising on the site about the Eurowings flights! Bookable on the airlines website though!

valefan16,

You shouldn't be surprised, the content of EMA's website is an absolute joke, just take a look at the "New routes" section as an example, or the "arrivals/departures" boards which show some, but not all of the code share flights. The whole thing appears very amateurish and none of the management team seems to be bothered as to how poorly this reflects on them and EMA.

The problem is it seems all PR, including the website, is handled by MAG from Manchester, which wouldn't be a problem if they are made fully aware of what is happening at EMA - obviously they are not.

If Andy Cliffe wants this new route to be more than a one season wonder, then he had better get his act together and improve the situation. Perhaps he could take some lessons from the experts over at BHX, they have developed their PR down to a fine art...!

Balair

They should really be pushing the DUS flights really, a new operator and one part of a global carrier which currently EMA could really do with working out if it's going to make other routes be considered by Eurowings and to maybe make other airlines (AFR maybe to link up Paris which is underserved or KLM maybe consider giving it a try) the website has changed recently but the content has gone downhill and just seems to suggest a "happy with what we have" attitude from the airport.

"The problem is it seems all PR, including the website, is handled by MAG from Manchester, which wouldn't be a problem if they are made fully aware of what is happening at EMA - obviously they are not."

Interesting comments re PR!

Being part of the Mancunian Mafia up here I actually thought our MAN PR was handled from Stansted or indeed at EMA. .....

Maybe a testimont to how bad it is that nobody knows what each airport is doing or where to position itself!

TCX usually take this route between EMA and TFS, yet the ACE / FUE go over Spain and France. As said, must be the cost factor...

You can't route into ACE/FUE from T16 due airspace restrictions.

T16 from EMA to TFS/LPA is quite possible and depends on what the super computer kicks out based on a whole bunch of factors as described above. Depending on the winds, it doesn't often add that much time if you route that way.

JL:}

More detail on the Eurowings news.

Lufthansa’s low cost airline Eurowings has announced a route from Dusseldorf to East Midlands airport.

The service, which starts on March 27, will operate six-times weekly with weekday flights leaving Germany at 11:25 and arriving in the UK at 11:50 (local time).

The return journey leaves East Midlands at 12:25 and arrives in Dusseldorf at 14:45. On Sundays the flight will leave at 06:50 and arrive in East Midland at 07:50.

The service will be operated by a Bombadier CRJ-900.

Jet2
 

Jet2 are to operate to Salzburg from December 23 2016 till April 14 2017 first two flight's will operate on a Friday's the rest on Saturday's departing at 1330

Great to see FR seemingly adding BCN (4x weekly) and Rome-CIA (3x weekly) for the Winter season. Two routes I've always thought could do well operating year-round.

With this, and especially if the BFS rumors come to fruition, this could be EMA's busiest winter for many years, providing BE don't disappoint and EW continue their new DUS route into winter.

Ed Force One
 

Apologies if this is in the wrong place, but I want to ask about when Ed Force One comes to EMA for the download festival. Where will it park? Who will handle it? Any info at all ? (can't wait!!) xx

At a meeting of the three local authorities "Power of 3 (PO3)" held yesterday at the airport, Andy Cliffe is reported to have commented on the new Eurowings service to Dusseldorf but also added "and we are hopeful that over the coming months we will have announcements about new airlines"

This is probably just the usual PR speak that is constantly rattled out for captive audiences at such events, but it is slightly different from the usual "we are in constant discussion with airlines" etc.

If there is some substance behind this comment, apart from the highly unlikely rumoured Shaheen service to Islamabad, has anyone heard rumours of any possible new arrivals at EMA?

Balair

I sent Shaheen Air a message about the rumoured new Islamabad route & they replied that it is true & will be announced soon but yet still curious as to if it will ever happen! A day later Manchester was announced on there website!

Vueling? They seem to be expanding all over the UK and are popping up everywhere.

Anyone on here who follows football will know that Leicester City FC will most probably qualify for next season's Champions League. Not a route rumour, but a chance of seeing some interesting movements.

Etihad Cargo/Atlas Air 747-8F N855GT just departed to Abu Dhabi from EMA.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-tug-c-423056/

Notice Bulgaria Air are flying in this afternoon from Sofia, this a single flight or regular charter?

Operated last week too, could well be for Balkan holidays.
Also to note is Eurowongs started its flights yesterday to Düsseldorf 3 days ahead of its original scheduled first flight.

No service to CDG and ridiculously small figures to AMS. If I was an inhabitant of the East Midlands I would not be happy with what the owners of the airport are supplying in terms of service to these 2 hubs. Quite clearly underlying demand is not being met. I struggle to think that this is anything other than strategy. It is certainly helping another airport get on its feet. The service to Eastern Europe, Amsterdam and Paris from EMA is well below the underlying natural demand from this region. The figures are there for all to see.

Can't understand the poor services to both which were well served in the past. Surely considering some of the regional airports they serve KLM could give it a go?

Paris is an odd one especially with high demand likely this summer for the Euro 2016 finals (I'm flying from LHR as nothing at EMA)

Pains me to say this, but why would they - and simple dilute traffic from existing services from LBA and BHX? KLM probably discovered similar when they tried, and subsequently dropped service from LPL.

CDG is a bit more of a mystery, but then again how much new traffic could Air France expect to gain, over and above that which they normally carry. Clearly FlyBe didn't get the right loads / yields to make it work.

Even given the (dysfunctional and inadequate) A42/M42, EMA is just too close to BHX. KLM don't even serve AMS from LGW, preferring concentrate their efforts on LHR.

I always thought it was airlines that operated flights?

Seabrooks make the lovely crisps and Morrisons make sure that they are available to satisfy the demand for them from the customer. Hence my wording.

Simply saying that other nearby airports are satisfying the demand is not a satisfactory answer in my opinion. These are not marginal routes. BHX could quite happily move everyone to PMI too. I believe it is a strategic airport decision.

I am not talking about KLM particularly - just the potential underlying demand from the distance catchment.

LPL moved 26354 to AMS in Feb 16 and EMA moved 3736. Astonishing. Just what DSA needs after 10 years.

So you think EMA are stopping/discouraging airlines flying to hubs such as CDG and AMS? What's your reasoning? evidence?

Seabrooks make the best crisps in UK - knock Walkers into a cocked hat. I doubt those down south know what they are missing!!!

LPL / AMS is overwhelmingly point to point leisure traffic - with EZY. Now of course Jet2 could offer EMA / AMS but choose not to, possibly because it doesn't fit their business model.

If any airline saw the opportunity to make money of these routes from EMA you can be sure they wouldn't be slow in opening them - there is no way that EMA would be preventing them from doing so. I wish there was more of a business offering from EMA, rather than over reliance on the bucket and spade market; and on one carrier in particular, which has also probably not served the airport well in enabling them to attract new carriers and routes.

The problem is EMA have a long term deal with Walkers and rather than risk upsetting the arrangement, they are quite prepared to let those who wish to buy other brands of crisps travel to DSA or BHX to do so......explains all doesn't it?

Balair

Balair speaks the most sense. Evidence is not something you will find.

"there is no way that EMA would be preventing them from doing so" = naïve

All kinds of jiggery pokery goes on between airports and airports and airlines and airlines.

We can all argue about it until the cows come home but what cannot be disputed are those astonishing figures I quoted earlier. Agreed. It's not often you can say Teesside whups your ar$e! A certain airport CANNOT be allowed to fail whatever it takes.

Ah, who'd have guessed, just more of the LA anti-MAN agenda... :ok:

Where were all these hub routes before MAN took over? :confused:

It's probably true that EMA have given Walkers such prominence on their "shelves" that it makes it harder for Seabrooks to get a foothold - that is a mistake in my view.

However, if Seabrooks wanted to make a fight of it and pay (as in invest) money in developing their brand at EMA then if they thought that EMA (through MAG) were blocking them they'd be quite right to go running to the competition commission, and I feel sure they would - and they'd win.

Incidentally, can you buy Seabrooks crisps at EMA? Just wondered!

That's a completely flawed analogy. In your case Seabrooks will most likely want as many outlets as possible, and will lobby/offer financial incentives to Morrisons to carry their crisps. In the case of an airline whilst an airport can facilitate them by way of facilities and financial incentives, it will only happen if the airline decides it can operate the service if it can make a better profit compared to other destinations.

That calculation will include diluting profits from other routes. Deciding not to operate a route doesn't necessarily mean that it can't fill a couple of aircraft a day, and cover its operating costs.

EMA's failure was letting Go and the harps in on an almost unfettered basis. There was room for a downsized alliance-style offer, which bmi had been delivering prior to that on a larger scale, but Bish got scared and changed his fiefdom to baby. All the transfer traffic, and quite a bit of the business market, went down the M42 almost overnight. Over there, they realised the importance of and have really pulled out all the stops to stay on / get on the global alliance maps, and its paying off. EMA now has Brussels! Hahaha! So never mind MAG strategy, the stage was set long ago. Adding to the woes, the big airport down the road never used to offer deals to prospective airlines but now it does. The implications are clear - they can match or beat EMA (and indeed they have done), whereas hands are more tied due to the risk of upsetting the rather fickle incumbents. Twelve new airlines over there in the last year, two (maybe three if Cobalt make it) at EMA. Double digit growth down the M42, stagnation at EMA. Airlines might start viable routes without incentives, but if there is a choice of airports 35 miles apart and one offers a better deal than the other then the path they are likely to take is fairly obvious. Furthermore, Paris won't work from EMA now without AF connectivity - Eurostar is just too easy for point-to-point. Up at LPL (seeing as folks want to compare the two), Flybe's AMS failed because they couldn't secure connectivity with KL and the point-to-point preferred EZY's jets. From EMA, AMS might work if someone made a proper go of it - Flybe's paltry once in the middle of the day with no code share doesn't cut it - but I suspect that market too will become more limited once Eurostar gets its act together up there next year. The test now will be to see how Eurowings does - I suspect it'll get dropped, but I hope not.

EastMids

I am astounded that you find a situation brought about by the loss of life resulting from a terrorist attack in Brussels even remotely funny. I suggest you give consideration to what you type in future.

Balair

Nothing to do with the terrorists attacks - I was merely saying that a single route to Brussels is about as much use as a chocolate teapot when it comes to global connectivity - what I said was in the context of the previous sentence, if you care to read it properly. Balair - I suggest you think how to interpret things in future.

EastMids,

Thank you for the instruction. Having re-read your post properly I can now see just how hilariously funny the situation inwhich EMA finds itself is regarding the Brussels route. If you had included the "chocolate teapot" similly in your original post my ability to interpret and understand your apparent amusement would have been that much easier.

I apologise for doubting your integrity.

Balair

Jet2.com Summer 2017
 

Increases up to 7 based aircraft - New routes to Girona, Naples and Split, plus Paris-CDG returns at 4x weekly. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Antalya and Bodrum appear to have been dropped.

East Midlands has carved itself a couple of very nice market niches in high volume/low yield point to point passenger traffic and cargo. Not every airport needs to be a spoke in somebodies global network. It's a thriving place now as opposed to when BMA ruled the roost - then the place was a dead hole most of the time.