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FRatSTN 27th Mar 2013 22:39

I'd like to see a few more city routes from East Midlands first. Currently, a lot of the traffic at EMA (not just Jet2, but in general) is seasonal to summer sun destinations whereas the cities tend to be more all-year.

I have heard rumours that a fifth Jet2 aircraft will be based at EMA for summer 2014. Hopefully this will be the case and these two new routes will continue into the summer and would be good to see the introductions of a few other city routes like Barcelona, Rome-Fiumicino or Venice-Marco Polo for example.

Burnie5204 28th Mar 2013 00:15

Well RYR already serve BCN and FCO so if Jet2 were to launch those routes they would need to be sure that there is either surplus demand or try and entice RYR pax across.

cornishsimon 28th Mar 2013 01:59

I'm really surprised that nobody has picked up the seasonal baby route to NQY.

Seemed ideal for a Jet2 return to NQY ?


cs

FRatSTN 28th Mar 2013 10:18


Well RYR already serve BCN and FCO
Ryanair serve Rome-Ciampino (CIA) and Venice-Treviso (TSF) so if Jet2 were to serve those cities, they would be competing indirectly. Barcelona would be direct competition, but in the summer, I'm sure their would be enough demand to sustain more than 1 daily Ryanair flight to Barcelona. A 3 or 4 weekly flight to Barcelona with Jet2 may compliment the Ryanair service.


I'm really surprised that nobody has picked up the seasonal baby route to NQY.

Seemed ideal for a Jet2 return to NQY ?
Indeed that is a shame, but I thought FlyBe may have been better for that route.

Fairdealfrank 28th Mar 2013 10:39

Quote: "I'm really surprised that nobody has picked up the seasonal baby route to NQY.

Seemed ideal for a Jet2 return to NQY ?
"

Would be nice to see LS in the south! Unfortunately their business model appears to keep them only at EMA and points north.

yeo valley 28th Mar 2013 11:02

jet 2
 
also i think apd will have something to do with the ema route and possably uk routes as not only affects jet 2 but also a lot of commuter airlines as well.
the apd i think is the highest any where. so with that and the highest recession ever plus cost of fuel. then airlines will cut back or not start a route unless they more or less guarenteed to make money.airlines think that they are in it to make money fot the shareholders. and not run as a charity.
sorry it sounds like im running you down cs. but i do commend you for promoting nqy.

FRatSTN 14th Apr 2013 16:15

Ryanair
 
Further increase in services for August with an extra Saturday flight to Barcelona (now 8x weekly) and an extra Wednesday flight to Faro (now up to 11x weekly) for July and August.

It now means that there will be 370 Ryanair flights per week in August from East Midlands.

Saturdays in August will be the busiest days and will now reach a record 60 Ryanair flights (30 departures/30 arrivals)!!!

ARRIVALS
FR4469 08:50 Malaga
FR9005 09:15 Barcelona-Girona
FR6135 10:00 La Rochelle
FR6032 10:30 Palma de Mallorca
FR1743 11:20 Knock
FR3173 11:25 Lanzarote
FR6609 11:30 Barcelona-Reus
FR1653 12:00 Dinard
FR4155 12:15 Almeria
FR1933 12:45 Murcia
FR1665 13:10 Riga
FR3948 13:40 Poznan
FR1633 15:35 Limoges
FR9406 16:05 Ibiza
FR4459 16:20 Malaga
FR536 17:05 Dublin
FR9387 17:10 Barcelona
FR4054 17:50 Warsaw-Modlin
FR9651 18:35 Rome-Ciampino
FR9084 19:05 Alicante
FR9385 19:05 Barcelona
FR1767 20:15 Faro
FR534 22:10 Dublin
FR1707 22:40 Pisa
FR6572 22:55 Venice-Treviso
FR9184 23:05 Alicante
FR1925 23:15 Murcia
FR3153 23:25 Tenerife-South
FR3851 00:05 Rhodes
FR6602 00:15 Palma de Mallorca


DEPARTURES
FR4154 06:10 Almeria
FR6608 06:35 Barcelona-Reus
FR6134 06:45 La Rochelle
FR1664 07:00 Riga
FR1934 07:00 Murcia
FR1742 08:30 Knock
FR3949 08:45 Poznan
FR1652 09:15 Dinard
FR4468 09:30 Malaga
FR9004 09:40 Barcelona-Girona
FR9407 10:25 Ibiza
FR6031 11:15 Palma de Mallorca
FR9388 11:45 Barcelona
FR1632 11:55 Limoges
FR3172 12:00 Lanzarote
FR4053 12:25 Warsaw-Modlin
FR9085 13:05 Alicante
FR3152 13:35 Tenerife-South
FR537 14:30 Dublin
FR3852 15:20 Rhodes
FR4458 16:55 Malaga
FR9185 17:10 Alicante
FR1708 17:30 Pisa
FR1924 17:30 Murcia
FR6571 18:00 Venice-Treviso
FR6601 18:35 Palma de Mallorca
FR9652 19:00 Rome-Ciampino
FR9386 19:30 Barcelona
FR535 19:35 Dublin
FR1766 20:40 Faro

ematom1 14th Apr 2013 17:18

Very good news, Ryaniar showing commitment to EMA this year, surely anymore expansion another aircarft would be needed in the peak season?

LGS6753 14th Apr 2013 17:57

ematom -

I don't think Ryanair are "committed" to any airport. They go where they get the best deals, and that's it.
They are brilliant at marketing, hence their load factors and profitability.

FRatSTN 14th Apr 2013 18:31

ematom1

There already is. 8 a/c will be in service (as can bee seen on the timetable above) compared to 7 through the rest of the summer.

As I understand, 8 a/c will be based through the summer as 1 is spare to do the training circuits.

I don't know if it's this a/c they will use for passenger flights in August or if they'll bring another a/c, making a total of 9 a/c including the spare one for training circuits in August??

ematom1 14th Apr 2013 18:54

Thanks FRatSTN I wasn't sure how many aircarft there was but thought they were all pretty busy through the summer months

ematom1 18th Apr 2013 13:15

Thomson new routes?
 
Hi all on the East Midlands Airport website it says Thomson are starting Kos & Antalya summer 2013, first ive heard about it but it does seem the flights begin in May 2013

nigel osborne 18th Apr 2013 17:44

Agree with LGS,

If EMA don't extend the likely cheap landing/handling charges Ryan Air have probably secured they will cut back at EMA and put in more flts to somewhere cheaper, until that runs out and so on.

Nigel,

FRatSTN 23rd Apr 2013 18:45

Jet2 have the Canary Islands on sale for summer 2013. They will finally start flying to Fuerteventura however East Midlands misses out on this with only GLA, LBA and MAN flying there.

Good news for EMA though is that Lanzarote is showing as twice weekly from October 2013 to October 2014 now! It's about time Jet2 operated Lanzarote twice a week during the summer months from East Midlands!

Does anybody know if Jet2 will be basing 5 aircraft for summer 2014? With this increase and if the new Budapest and Prague routes continue into the summer then there must be another aircraft next summer.

It would be great if Monarch went to 3 aircraft and took on more of the Jet2 routes to the Canaries, Greece, Turkey etc. for some more competition.

Two days until the Thomson summer 2014 season is on sale, hopefully East Midlands will have some interesting stuff in due course. Can't see Thomas Cook being too long either but don't expect much different from them.

If Ryanair stay at the level they are this summer for summer 2014, then next year at EMA could be even busier! We'll have to wait a long time for Ryanair's summer 2014 though, it will probably be October at best! I'm still intrigued to see what they will have for the winter 2013/14 season. Let's hope that FlyBe doesn't disapoint!

ematom1 23rd Apr 2013 19:08

I remember reading in the press Jet2 want to base a 5th aircraft at EMA but surely they'd have to introduce a few more new routes, or a few more increases in capacity on some routes.

Would be nice to see Monarch Introduce a couple more new routes they seem to be doing well at EMA and if some new routes are added a 3rd aircraft would be needed.

Flybe have seemed to disappoint with EMA as a base from when they first announced the base at EMA it was x2 Embraer 175 jets to be based with both Paris & Amsterdam twice daily along with Jersey X3 weekly but have kept 1 Dash8 based with Paris x2 daily, Amsterdam 1 daily and jersey £ weekly but I do understand they are trying to cut losses at the min, But on the positive they seem to be doing very well on the Domestic Routes.

Thomson & Thomas Cook seem to stay pretty much the same most years with a few new routes or increases in capacity but cant see any new routes or little.

Ematom1 :)

FCAcrewboy 27th Apr 2013 07:47

TOM S14
 
Great to see TOM committed to EMA for 2014 with SFB & CUN routes on 767 and 787.

ematom1 27th Apr 2013 11:58

Are SFB & CUN same frequencies? Any new routes added by thomson at EMA?

crewmeal 4th May 2013 05:14

Car Parking charges
 
Yet another example of an airport ripping off passengers.

Why the sky-high parking charges? | This is Leicestershire

I'm convinced that some car park operators are out to ruin businesses set up at airports with these excessive chargers. I'm also convinced that if you can't get reasonable access to an airport it will put customers flying from it. I thought BHX was bad enough but this one is over the top.

FRatSTN 4th May 2013 08:22

Quite an impressive departure board for FR flights today. As far as I know, this is the record number of scheduled FR flights from EMA in one day so far, with 26 departures, and fairly consistent throughout the day, only a couple of fairly short gaps (unlike Bristol which has a 4hr 50 min gap between 11:10 and 16:00 and then 7 departures between 20:05 and 21:05!)

DEPARTURES
FR4154 06:30 Almeria
FR6608 06:35 Barcelona-Reus
FR4053 06:50 Warsaw-Chopin
FR1664 07:00 Riga
FR6134 07:35 La Rochelle
FR1742 08:30 Knock
FR3949 08:45 Poznan
FR4468 09:30 Malaga
FR9004 09:40 Barcelona-Girona
FR9407 11:15 Ibiza
FR6031 11:30 Palma de Mallorca
FR9388 11:45 Barcelona
FR1632 11:55 Limoges
FR3172 12:00 Lanzarote
FR9085 13:05 Alicante
FR537 14:30 Dublin
FR3852 15:20 Rhodes
FR4458 16:55 Malaga
FR9185 17:10 Alicante
FR1708 17:30 Pisa
FR1924 17:30 Murcia
FR6601 17:50 Palma de Mallorca
FR6571 18:00 Venice-Treviso
FR9652 19:00 Rome-Ciampino
FR535 19:35 Dublin
FR1766 20:40 Faro

And busier to come with it going up to 30 departures on Saturdays in August.

Anybody got any news about the winter season? After an exceptionally busy summer like this could it be possible that they will increase to 4 a/c through the winter?

FRatSTN 4th May 2013 10:29

New Jet2 route for summer 2014
 
Jet2 will fly from East Midlands to Zante on Wednesdays from 28th May 2014.

ATNotts 4th May 2013 10:31

Crewmeal

I imagine one reason for sky-high parking charges (and for that matter food and drink costs in cafes and restaurants) at airports is the rake-off demanded by the airport operators from the concessionaires.

Problem for EMA is that since Ryanair think that airports provide services for nothing, the revenue has to come from somewhere else - and that's the hapless punter, and those collecting and delivering punters at the airport.

It needn't be like this, but airports that have attracted carriers like Ryanair, Wizz, Easy and the like have made their collective beds, and have to sleep in it.

EastMids 5th May 2013 05:12

The low fare carriers came in and they don't pay the airport as much in landing fees, etc. Those whinging about parking charges seem too stupid to realise that the airport has to make money and if it doesn't take as much money from the airlines flying in and out it'll have to make money from other activities. The punters want low fare airlines and the rediculous parking charges are the natural consequence.

crewmeal 5th May 2013 05:36


Those whinging about parking charges seem too stupid to realise that the airport has to make money
That remark is totally unnecessary and perhaps you should empathise with the customer who has to pay for these ridiculious charges. Like anything else in life if someone feels they are being ripped off then they won't go there again.

EastMids 5th May 2013 05:49

I don't empathise with those customers at all... There's no such thing as a free lunch and the money to staff the airport, maintain the buildings and runways etc has to come from somewhere. The airport jumped into bed with the low fare carriers, travellers in the region unfortunately embraced those carriers, and high parking charges are one of the consequences. If people don't realise that, well... :rolleyes:

ATNotts 5th May 2013 11:02

Eastmids

I think perhaps your suggestion that those who complain are "stupid" is a tad harsh, however the British, as I have oft commented in the past, "know the price of everything and the value of nothing", and as you say, there is "no such thing as a free lunch"

I doubt your average traveler understands how an airport works financially, and certainly won't realise that every cup of coffee, car parking space, bottle of pop from the duty free etc has a rake off taken by the airport. Many of them, when they go on their annual holiday probably didn't even know which airline they are travelling with until the tickets arrive!

They are captive audience, ripe for the taking! That (as a cockney) rep from Balkan Holidays once said to me many years ago on a holiday in Bulgaria is "free enterprise mate"!

compton3bravo 5th May 2013 11:41

Thank you East Mids for that comment.
Regarding the parking charges etc. that is why one of the reasons thousands of Brits like me decided to up sticks and leave the UK and only return when really necessary having got fed up of being ripped off continuously and just got fed up with the state of the country. I live in Spain - it has its problems oh yes it has and is not ideal but where is - but by jove it is a far better place to live than the UK I can assure you - not being ripped off, car tax at 40 Euros yearly, cheaper food, drink, fuel, better weather etc. lovely roads with hardly any traffic - need I go on. If you want to pay One Pound 50p administrationm charge on a Two Pounds 20p ticket carry on - but not for me pal.

Burnie5204 5th May 2013 11:46

The silliest thing I see with all these "Short Stay is a rip off" comments where people have looked at the prices on the internet is that they dont seem to have bothered to look properly on the website.

The old ShuttlePlus (now renamed JetParksPlus) gives 1 hour free parking with busses every 8 minutes.

And that IS written on the website.

greatoaks 5th May 2013 14:27

compton3bravo
 

lovely roads with hardly any traffic - need I go on
paid for by EU subsidies - and who is the 3rd largest contributor of the aforementioned payments - oh yes the good old UK

compton3bravo 5th May 2013 19:15

That is correct Greatoaks and I am enjoying every kilometre because I am still a UK taxpayer so I see where some of it has been spent.

stuart hammond 6th May 2013 18:38

Thomson 2014
 
For 2014 EMA over takes BHX for PMI flights EMA 8 flights BHX 6 flights, the number of flights to PMI from EMA must be a record for 2013.Car parking at airports, but most airports have good bus/coach services at very keen prices, and for the older client you may get a free trip to and from the airport.regardsStuart

OltonPete 6th May 2013 19:49

Palma
 
stuart hammond

Unbelieavlbly BHX did have seven but the Monday Jetairfly has disappeared already :confused:

From BHX's point of view I would look at it as a positive as the number of destinations next summer is around 29 at EMA and 43 at BHX (net gain of one LEI & CAT gained but SID lost). It could be argued that Thomson have to rely on "safe" destinations at EMA whereas BHX has got a wide variety because Thomson feel certain that they can take the risk.

SKG appears to be the only destination now offered from EMA and not BHX.

Thomson will also offer more Alicante's from EMA on Thomson aircraft as one of the BHX flights changes to Monarch schedule similar to Malaga this summer.

If ALC and AGP migrate to Monarch and BHX gets RAK, LEI and CAT it can't be all bad.

Also of course EMA is now a 737 base, which I assume has lead to a capacity reduction, as there are no extra based units although one of BHX's four 757's has changed to a 738 this summer as well. There is a possibility that four of BHX's six Palma's in 2014 could be on the 757 whereas all the EMA flights will probably be on the 738.

Pete

sunday8pm 7th May 2013 12:39

Will EMA break 5m passengers this calendar year?

ematom1 7th May 2013 15:03

Hi all the past week or so there has been a city jet BAE146 operating Paris-ema-Paris is this a new route that's been operated or just charters? Thanks

stuart hammond 7th May 2013 17:36

EMA pax
 
Sunday8pmWould like to see end of 2013 EMA over take LPL and NCL with the end of 2015 over take BRS, just not sure which year we over take BHX/LTN, I will watch the sparks fly.regardsStuart

Mr Angry from Purley 7th May 2013 19:06

EastMids
Here's another thought. Just returned from USA, i suspect we can agree that its just as likely for Terry Taliban to have a pop at a US airport as it is at EMA.
The airports i visited are significantly larger than EMA

1/ Punters can drive up to arrivals and drop - no charge
2/ Punters can drive up to departures and drop - no charge
3/ Post 9/11 many airports introduced "Cell phone" waiting lots. Free, very close by, hi i'm at arrivals come and get me type stuff
4/ Short term parking - yes sir that's $1 an hour short term - 65p!.

Yes i have some sympathy that they have to make their hard earned £££, and i won't mention the sneaky camera car charging £75? for inadvertant parking for 30 secs in designated area's by Joe Public, all for elf and safety Gov, risk to pax and staff yeah yeah worked at the airport for i dunno 30 years i must have missed everything that happened :\ :\

TSR2 7th May 2013 19:26


Will EMA break 5m passengers this calendar year?
Yes, with a 22.7% increase on 2012 figures. Unlikely though.

BHX5DME 7th May 2013 22:35

EMA Pax
 
EMA dipped below 4m pax at the end of March (3,985,023) which is 5.70% down on the previous year.

This is the lowest annual rolling 12 month figure since May 2003.

2013 will see an increase but there is a long way to go !!

sunday8pm 8th May 2013 13:09

Isn't this down to the data-lagging nature of 12-month rolling figures and the demise of bmiBaby at the end of last summer?

Come September the 12 month rolling figures may well be showing double digit increases for the same reason.

stuart hammond 11th May 2013 07:26

Thomson 2014
 
Extra flights/seats for summer 2014 EMA to PMI,MAH,TFS,AGP. which balance out at 2/3 extra flights from 2013, the total Thomson programme for 2014 is 2/3 extra flights for most airports in the u/k.regardsStuart

Burnie5204 11th May 2013 22:50

Frankie and Benny's "Coming Soon"

Will be airside where Three Shires used to be (judging by where they have put their posters up)


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