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Charlie Roy 11th Sep 2007 10:25

Bremen also for example: Ryanair only get reduced fees on routes not already served.
Ryanair were happy with the overall Bremen deal, so accepted it.

However, Ryanair are not willing to do such a "no cannibalism" deal with Belfast, or Cork, or Shannon for various reasons. I suppose they look at each deal offered in detail. A Belfast "no cannibalism" deal would not have interested Ryanair. That said, they are not competing directly on any Belfast route thus far. This winter no other airline will do BHD to LPL, EMA, PIK or STN.

gate 22 11th Sep 2007 10:38

But sure nobody does pik-ema

dumdumbrain 11th Sep 2007 18:41

Cheers for clearing that up :)

But can Ryanair do EMA-PIK since Baby only do EMA-GLA, or is it the fees that made easyJet pull the route. . . . .


S78 11th Sep 2007 19:12

Short answer - no.

RYR market PIK as 'Glasgow' so it's essentially the same destination.


johnnychips 12th Sep 2007 00:19

How are the journey times and transport availability from PIK to the middle of Glasgow, and other parts of the conurbation, compared with Glasgow's 'proper' airport? Indeed, may PIK be more convenient for people living in the SW of the Glasgow area? I'm writing this as a person mostly ignorant of the geography of that area of Scotland.

I just find it strange that people keep quoting city-centre to city-centre times as a comparison to trains, when in fact, most people don't live in the city centre. :uhoh:

This may sound the wrong thread to be on but, actually, will EMA passengers make a distinction between PIK as being a bit near to Glasgow or GLA, which is evidently much nearer?

Crusher1 12th Sep 2007 07:32

Very easy to Glasgow city as Prestwick airport has it's own station on the line linking the city with Ayr, I'm sure any service from EMA would be very popular due to the golf and seaside resorts and not just the city.

dumdumbrain 12th Sep 2007 07:39

EMA Glasgow/Aryshire
I totally agree with you, on my training course I met a lad who lived about 10 mins from PIK, and I had no idea it was right on the coast, and close to many tourist attractions. I think EMA-PIK and EMA-GLA would attract different markets with little overlap. Competition is always good for pax!

Saying that I think we are a while off till we see Ryanair doing this route, many other new and exciting routes to start up and increase the number of flights on some routes, ie TFS and BHD

Lee :ok:

finding_nema 12th Sep 2007 18:53

Well whatever happens route wise, it's going to be a winter of big change at EMA, especially as most of the ground handling contracts are apparently up for renewal.

dumdumbrain 13th Sep 2007 06:40

I did hear Swissport wants to move in, do a good job in STN for Ryanair

finding_nema 13th Sep 2007 09:16

I don't know if there's a need or room for a third handling agent at an airport the size of EMA. I do know last summer Swissport and aviance both did come up to the airport, but considering setting up a new base requires massive capital investment and most contracts at EMA are fickle low-cost or charter ones, I wonder whether there's an interest.

[email protected] 13th Sep 2007 11:06

I see the airport is attending the World Routes Forum in Stockholm at the end of this month, Do you think they will be identifying and trying to attract long haul scheduled services or concentrating on short haul business and major hub connections????



p.s Its over 2 grand per person including 10 1 to 1 meetings with airlines.

egnxema 13th Sep 2007 21:47

As much as some see great gain in having linghaul routes from EMA, I think they should be going all out to get a Oneworld or Star Alliance carrier to link into a big hub. Or get KLM back on the AMS.

EMA747 14th Sep 2007 00:16

How about SK on EMA-CPH or EMA-ARN? Could compete with Sterling then.

bmibaby.com 16th Sep 2007 19:36

If bmi regional adds a second Embraer to EMA, and it's been discussed since they took it away from the CDG route in 2005, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up serving one or two Star Alliance hubs. The problem with the obvious contenders like FRA or DUS, despite there being lots of transfer options and the main competitor to Star being flybe at BHX, is that slots are at a premium, and regional just can't get a workable schedule out there. I had heard ZRH being mentioned, and with Sterling looking like they're after the leisure market who knows if regional might be good for CPH.

Referencing Swissport UK, I just can't see it happening. As has been discussed already, last summer when Menzies were having a couple of growing pains, two handling agents believed to be Swissport and Aviance were invited to look round the airport. Even though the airport is growing, there just aren't enough contracts to sustain more than 2 handling agents. I think instead we're going to see the competition heat up between Servisair and Menzies.

dumdumbrain 16th Sep 2007 23:30

The Ryanair contract runs out this winter and Menzies just don't want, reason being Ryanair was asking too much of them (shock horror).

bmibaby.com 17th Sep 2007 11:28

Has it been confirmed that Menzies are definitely not interested in the bidding for the Ryanair contract, and for the reason that they're too demanding? Remember that the EMA product for Menzies is born out of KISS which was a sub-brand dedicated to a low-cost environment. I can't imagine Menzies would be interested in the kind of contract where they have to give away free turnarounds, but they are competitive, handling airlines like easyJet, Jet2 and flybe. They do seem to have a chronic problem with having to wait around for coaches though, although if the rumours are true that Ryanair only wants stands 7 - 12 then that shouldn't be an issue. Are Servisair doing such a bad job anyway? Ryanair must have some faith in them because they seem to do most of the UK handling.

With all this Ryanair expansion I think the next six months is really going to be make or break time for the bmi group. The second ERJ and sixth 737 have long been rumoured but we could really do with them to try to protect some market share. On the other hand, expansion does not always equal profit, so for as long as we're ticking along nicely and I have a job, I've got no complaints!

dumdumbrain 17th Sep 2007 16:05

Servisair & stands
Well funny you should talk about Servisair, I was talking to one of my friends off my training course who is now based at Liverpool, and he has the same problem with them. We have a very tight turn around time, and is a big issue at the moment. Servisair has some very good staff but is let down by a group of teenagers who do a very poor job, and have no manners.

I take with me to the gate the 25 mins turn around sheet, which Serviseair have been given aswell, but still the rules are not follwed. . . Some of them don't see Ryanair as a customer, and have an attitude problem.

Also Ryanair don't use them that much really, STN is swissport which handle some 40 odd a/c, same with BHX, DUB we have our own staff. And actually do a very good job, well the ground staff not too sure about the checking staff, *personally I dont think the checkin staff should not wear the uniform most of them don't look after it, dirty, most look like the uniform hasn't seen the washing machine or iron for months, missing buttons, buttons not done up, tie pin not in correct place if at all. I mean if I walk in my crew room looking a mess, or uniform not perfect I would be told, sent home, and a note on my record. Just because we area low cost airline doesn't mean we can't take care and pride in our personally appearence

Room for Swissport to move in if it was to gain the Ryanair contract, will have 6 a/c come the end of next month, plus those flights coming from other bases such as DUB, SNN, ORK, MAD, ALC

Stands 7-12 I don't think that is enough anymore, that's only room for 5 a/c we will have 6 a/c come the end of next month, and another 2 a/c in the spring, the better choice is to extend the new pier south and sort out the issue of buses.

I see UKIA was flying again last night ;)

***these comments about Servisair are my own and not those of Ryanair

- and a final note before people moan about the 25 min turn around and 20 mins door to door, Berlin do a very good job and sometimes even shorter than this, got to hand to the staff Berlin, do a great job :D


First Bag 17th Sep 2007 19:17

Dumbdumbrain...... So its Servisairs turn now for you to have a moan about, first it was Security, TNT, BMi Baby and now Servisair, who next then.

Do Servisair handle Ryanair at Liverpool? I thought it the ground handling was handled by Liverpool airport and that Servisair just dispatched the aircraft
Your point about 25 minute turn rounds is? I would like to see you turn a full B737 800 round with 185 bags off then another 185 on.They do it as best as possible.If they are slow ,by a few minutes, so what, you get and do it if you think you can do better instead of serving a few tea and biscuits on a two hour trip.

The attitude of the Servisair staff, thats laughable, take a look at the attitude of some of your captains and you will see that they are a lot worse or you that blinkered or got your head so far up the captains bum you dont notice? Tell you what,why dont you wander up to the Servisair crew room and put your point across to them about their attitude problem and lets see what the responce will be.

The Real Slim Shady 17th Sep 2007 19:44

First Bag

Your point about 25 minute turn rounds is? I would like to see you turn a full B737 800 round with 185 bags off then another 185 on.
When your management signed the contract it was, no doubt, on the basis that they accepted the terms and conditions and obviously believed that the staff were capable of turning a full 737 800 round in 25 minutes. If you now feel that you, and your colleagues, can't manage that, perhaps you should take it up with your management and ask for more staff.

The attitude of the Servisair staff, thats laughable, take a look at the attitude of some of your captains and you will see that they are a lot worse or you that blinkered or got your head so far up the captains bum you dont notice?
The Captain has responsibility to ensure that the aircraft departs on schedule: he / she has every right to use his / her best efforts to make it work. If that entails pushing you to stick to agreed protocols and SOPS it can hardly be described as "attitude"!

Abusing_the_sky 17th Sep 2007 19:53

First Bag...
You might do your best when off loading 185 bags and loading another 185 in less than 25mins, hat's off to you. But try to serve "tea and biscuits" to 189 pax in a 2hrs flight, the majority coming from a "chav raising culture", have people swearing at you just because you need to have the emergency exit rows clear for take off and landing and they wouldn't give you their bags to be stowed in the overhead lockers... And SO many more examples if you want to...
As for the captains... Why don't you try go through training for roughly 2 and a half years and become a pilot, then see what's it like to have a ground staff/ baggage handler coming to YOUR flight deck and calling you "mate" or "dude"? That is so disrespectful. As a CPT you are responsable for 189 plus 6 souls... If you think a CPT is rude, well you have another one coming. A CPT is NOT your village bus driver... He is GOD in that a/c for that day. Without him, the flight will never exist,pax would not be able to go from A to B. So back off a little and have a close look at what you wrote. No matter you are FA, CPT, FO, handling agent, YOU don't disrespect people's careers like you did. Of course there are bad eggs in every basket, but tell me, where aren't they...???

And as far as i knew, freedom of speech was still allowed... Dumbdumbrain only said his opinion, no reason for you to take it to a "slagging off" level.

Take care.:ok:

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