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ematom1 11th Jul 2010 11:02

just a few questions realy.
- I heard the aerologic are starting more cargo routes
when do these strat where are they flying to and what time will they be landing and departing if anyone has information?

- when will the extension to the runway begin and be finished for they seemed to be in a rush to get the planning but since it was accepted nothing has been done?


FR- 11th Jul 2010 19:38

Boarder control mid afternoon. Twice this week I have had landed and sent my pax off, only to find a massive queue. On Wednesday, the pax were all the way back to the catle pens, also on thursday i had several pax who needed to catch a later flight with WW to EDI, should of had an 1hr10mins to clear it and check in again.

I also experienced this problem as pax a few weeks back when I flew back from TFS. Only two staff on at first which went up to 3, took us over 40mins to clear. This is putting people off flying again from EMA, can someone from EMA please sort this out.

Fr- :rolleyes:

davedog 12th Jul 2010 09:48

do you mean 'border control'? have you not heard government cutbacks! it can only get worse!

0523 cov man 12th Jul 2010 13:21

ema is a good airport. 0523 covman:O

egnxema 12th Jul 2010 16:33


Clearly you have not travelled through STN recently!!:uhoh:

mikerawsonderby 12th Jul 2010 18:08

We arrived last night on the TCX from MAH (7+ hour delay because of the broken a/c at Antalya) and although we started queuing at the door it was probably only 15 minutes to get through. Surprised how thorough the check was though.

ATNotts 12th Jul 2010 18:10

Border Controls
For as long as government policy is formulated by the Daily Mail, Daily Express and the Telegraph UK border control is only going to become a bigger and bigger problem.

Those lucky people in virtually all other EU countries, save for Ireland and the Balkans enjoy free movement through something called the Schengen Agreement which means the intra-EU travel is about as difficult as crossing the border between England and Scotland (by road or rail)! Its another of the benefits of living in the EU that is deprived UK citizens.

If you don't want this nonsense to carry on lobby your MP!

Mr Angry from Purley 12th Jul 2010 18:37

ref aerologic
Go back a few posts and you'll see the new S3 schedule (all in the dark) :\

davedog 12th Jul 2010 19:25

If we had more faith in the external border control of the Schengen states, we wouldn't need our own border controls. The majority of the unwelcome people in this country enter via Schengen countries, and in particular they get to the french coast by the very free movement you talk about!
The EMA Immigration arrivals hall is no great welcome entry into the UK, but the facilities are provided by the airport, so investment must come from here, and the government need to invest in staff to man the border if they continue to screen every arriving passenger.
The perfect asnwer will never happen, but the relevant stakeholders must stride to improve on the current one.:ok:

stuart-travel 14th Jul 2010 10:19

update Travel service flights
From the end july to early sep 2010

mon pmi a/m lpa p/m
tue pmi a/m tfs p/m
wed rho a/m
thur nil ?
fri tfs a/m cfu p/m
sat fue a/m pmi p/m
sun ibz a/m ace p/m

If any person has details on the thur ops please advise, the info is as per Thomas cook flights.


OliWW 14th Jul 2010 13:26

From my understanding Thursdays was due to be ACE in the morning, and DLM in the afternoon

INKJET 15th Jul 2010 17:48

TCX seem to be having a rough time of it at EMA with a lot of very long delays on Turkey flights 12+ hours in some cases, is there an underlying reason or a spot of bad luck, Jet2 seem unaffected

aidoair 15th Jul 2010 18:00

TCX seem to be having a rough time of it at EMA with a lot of very long delays on Turkey flights 12+ hours in some cases, is there an underlying reason or a spot of bad luck, Jet2 seem unaffected
TCX aircraft are worked to the very bone during the summer months, more so than the majority of aircraft in say TOM's fleet.

As for the EMA based aircraft schedules, they are very tight. There is only a couple of nights during the week where at least one aircraft at a time gets to have a 'break' overnight.

The average time the aircraft is scheduled to be on the ground during a turnaround during the summer is just 1hr15 as the aircraft does late night flights and then straight out again the next morning. If there is any tech delays / slot delays etc then there is very little slack in the schedule to pick up the time.

I personally wouldn't say the aircraft are really overworked, as they are trying to get the most out of them over the summer, which is what aircraft are built for. Though when it comes to having some slack in the schedule for things like delays, then I guess they have tried to fit too many routes into a 2x aircraft base. Though obviously it's not just the EMA base that's effected by this nor just TCX, it just seems to be more clearer why here.

OliWW 15th Jul 2010 18:49

In some cases the TCX timetable is reduced to a 55 minute slot, where as most of TOM's are 1hr 30mins. The servisair staff do a good job to get the flights turned around in that time, so credit to them. Most of the delays are caused by tech problems, and as nearly all of the A320's are in full time operation all over the UK, delays do add up, just one of them things...

mikerawsonderby 15th Jul 2010 20:12

Whilst we were waiting for our TCX flight back from Mahon on Sunday, we were given various excuses. Initially we were told there would be a 2.5 hour delay because of the fog, then it changed to 4 hours for operational reasons, with the same reason then being used for the final 7 hour delay. I got the best information by calling the EMA information desk! We eventually got an A320 that had been sent from MAN. The captain was very apologetic (unlike the cabin crew) and explained that the a/c that we should have had went tech soon after take off from Antalya, and had to return (those poor passengers got home 26 hours late). They had looked at subbing the flight out, but there was nothing available on a Sunday morning.


Mr Angry from Purley 15th Jul 2010 20:32

Sounds about right to me, single aircraft base if it goes tech / late it struggles to make up lost time unless TCook dump another aircraft in (as you head towards peak summer less chance of that happening particularly as a few of the sub airlines have already leased their aircraft to easyjet like Titan etc). Also when times are hard it's cheaper to pay for 300 pax meals than a 30k subcharter.
The good side is had you been flying on Ryanair you'd still be in Mahon if they took fancy to cancelling the flight. To the credit of the charter airlines as we saw with the ash crisis they'll get you home, safely and eventually... :\

OliWW 15th Jul 2010 20:56

The issue which occured with the Mahon flight is that EMA has 2x A320's, and on the Sunday the timetable is like this...


So as usual the flight to Monastir departed on time, leaving the aircraft which should have done the Mahon flight stuck in Antalya. The Monastir aircraft then operated the Larnaca flight, with about a 2 hour delay on this, as the Dalaman flight actually has a 2/3 hour turn around. A spare A320 was then brought in to operate the Mahon flight, which then finally operated the Dalaman flight which was about 4/5 hours late in the end. I feel sorry for the passengers on the early morning Zante flight the most, who had to go and check in at like 11pm, to find out the flight had a 2hr 30 min delay on it, and didn't leave until about 3am :|

EGAC_Ramper 15th Jul 2010 21:55

Mr Angry,

To say Ryanair would just cancel is quite false. Yes at times they do but also it has to be said they do position aircraft/call out crews to fly back passengers etc to/from their destination.

OliWW 15th Jul 2010 22:19

On another TCX note... why is TCX512L going to Belfast tonight and not back to EMA? what will happen to the EMA pax, and it looks like the replacement A320 is coming up from LGW after operating TCX814L which was flying from Antalya?

Mr Angry from Purley 16th Jul 2010 18:26

Occasionally perhaps, but it's fair to say any sign of trouble and FR cancel (lack of crew, tech,ATC,strikes,ash) :\

Jamie2k9 16th Jul 2010 18:50

Ryanair only cancel flights if the inbound a/c is diverted to another airport due to reasons outside of there control eg, weather, runway closure, night flying ban etc and not all diverted flights are cancelled.

If a Ryanair a/c has a tecional problem the flight will be delayed until it has been resolved or another a/c which is not been used has arrived from Ryanair's main bases in Dublin or London Stansted and on very few times it will be cancelled.

Also if a Ryanair flights from a non base airport is delayed by a tec problem and If there is a flight due to arrive from Dublin or London Stansted and the delayed flight is awaiting for engineers to arrive ryanair will us the a/c which arrived from Dublin or London Standsted to operate the delayed flight and Dublin and London Stansted will be delayed until the a/c has been fixed.

ematom1 16th Jul 2010 22:46

isnt there a thomas cook boeing 757-200 oparateing from ema to destinations like turkey as when ive been to the airport in the evening there always departing. Also there was the thomas cook 767-300winglets in at ema on a saturady morning about 4 weeks ago it departed about 6 in the morning and departed up towards manchester does anyone know why it was here :ok: thanks ematom1

OliWW 16th Jul 2010 23:34

TCX have a B752 based on a Monday, positions in from LGW at about 7.20, and then does a flight to SSH, and then DLM on return, on Tue morning it then positions back out to LGW... There is talk that it may be at EMA on the Tue for 2011 and will operate a PMI and AYT flight, but who knows... As for the B76W not sure why it was here, I know a B767 CS-TQI replaced an A320 a few weeks ago, but not sure about the TCX B767

Tintop 20th Jul 2010 12:20

787 Fly Past @ East Mids
Hi all,

Rumour has it that the Dreamliner will do a fly by at East Mids this afternoon - around 5.00 on its way from the air show and a fly over Rolls-Royce to show case the T1000's.

Fingers crossed we get to see it first.



OliWW 20th Jul 2010 12:23

Depending on the timing of departure from the airshow and the weather conditions it is due to perform a touch and go at East Midlands, then fly over to Rolls Royce in Derby before then flying to Shannon... It needs to be at shannon for 6.30pm, so it depends whether they can fit a touch and go in, or whether it will be a flyby, who knows

ematom1 20th Jul 2010 21:56

this was amazing flypast Rolls royce 1000ft high bankin side to side then a sharp left bank then another then a heavy cilmb and a high pass check my videos out on youtube
just search ematom1 in youtube or ill post the link later when they are all fully posted ;)

ematom1 23rd Jul 2010 18:03

hi im just looking on the ema website and have seen there are some flights im unfimiliar with what airlines are these and are the summer charters or cargo flights?

TVS301518:30Belfast IntlScheduled 18:30 arrivals

TVS301619:30CorfuScheduled 19:30
QS301807:00FuerteventuraScheduled 07:00


OliWW 23rd Jul 2010 18:21

Operating for TCX between now and the middle of September, operating on a B737.800, for the first week or so, many of the flights are also via Belfast

Almondgrove 25th Jul 2010 14:39

Ryanair EMA schedule changes (Krakow)??
Oli W or someone in the know at EMA and /or Ryanair - is Ryanair 2 weekly to Krakow going to be cut for good from November 2010??

It is not showing in the booking system after October;I have been using this route regularly, most convenient and much needed for personal reasons.

Would be much obliged to anyone who can cast some light on this? Is it chopped? Permanently?As far as low costs movements can be predicted??

many thanks!

Jamie2k9 25th Jul 2010 14:59

Yes the route will be dropped like many other Polish routes from East Midlands, Liverpool and Bristol.

Birmingham will have 3 weekly to Krakiw and 2 weekly to Katowice.
London Stansted will have 7 weekly to Krakow and the number of flights to Katowice have yet to be relased but will be around 4 - 7 weekly.

ematom1 31st Jul 2010 09:32

what aircraft are based at ema
hi i was just wondering what type of aircraft are based out of ema for summer this year for these airlines and how many of them

Thomas cook
Thomson airways
Bmi baby
Jet 2 b757-200wl x1
and ive heard a rumor that smart wings are oparteing on charter routes this summer?
also what aircraft are flown in for flights such as b767-300 thomson to orlando
are there any new routes being announced?

thanks :)

OliWW 31st Jul 2010 10:01

FR = 8 based, 7 used, 8x B73H
WW = 7 based on certain days, 5x B733, 2x B735
BD = 1x E135/E145
T3 = 1x J41
TOM = 2x B73H, 1x B75W, 1x B76W (Mon-Wed)
TCX = 2x A320
QS = 1x B73H


Extra TCX flights on Thu and Fri to Kos and Mahon, and TCX have a B752 on a Mon

ematom1 31st Jul 2010 12:04

cool thanks
anyone know howmany parking spaces there are on the ema passenger ramps for aircraft and what aircraft are jet2 useing to base at ema next year for the second aircraft?

ematom1 31st Jul 2010 12:07

oh and what airlines are qs and tvs? thanks

TSR2 31st Jul 2010 13:58

QS is Smart Wings
TVS is Travelservice

Both airlines are based in Prague and owned by the same company.

egnxema 1st Aug 2010 12:45


Firstly, a big welcome to PPRuNe! It is great to see more people with a keen interest on what is going on at EMA.

A bit of advice mate, your questions are all very "spotter" based, which is fine, but you need to ask the in the Spotters Forum.

This forum is not the right place to ask. Keep reading and posting in here, but if you need answers to questions similar to the last few you've asked please repost in the correct forum......or email OliWW directly - he is in the top spotter throne at the moment. :ok:

But great to have you on board lads.


birdstrike 3rd Aug 2010 09:50

I think you are being a bit harsh on ematom1 as he/she is far from being alone.

A large proportion (I'd be tempted to say the majority) of the posts on the EMA forum could be said to belong in the 'Spotters' area of Prune.

757 Speedbrakes 3rd Aug 2010 10:42


Firstly, liked the 787 video on YouTube!!

2nd Jet2 aircraft is confirmed as another 757 and there are rumors of a 737 as well......

Of course, you meant that as an Ops based question didn't you - as the mods don't like spotter talk here!!

Mr Angry from Purley 3rd Aug 2010 21:13

egnxema - dam i wanted to be top spotter at EMA I have a reputation to maintain... Anyway just in case the mods throw me off Aerologic have commenced their second LEJ-EMA-LEJ tonight whilst they wait for the traffic rights on a direct EMA-BAH flight. :\

freightdoggy dog 3rd Aug 2010 22:29

757 Spdbrks...with EZY annoucing a tatical retreat from NCL i think you will find one of the extra pax B737s will be winging its way there

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