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It is frankly incredible that a country in western Europe, not recently run as a communist regime, still owns its own airline. What else does the Italian government think worth owning? Chains of pizzerias? Underwear manufacturers? Alitalia, which nobody wants to fly on, is 49 per cent owned by the state. Did nobody start to make some kind of connection before very recently? And this is the bigger question. Why on earth did anyone think of connecting national pride to some airline company or other in the first place? If British Airways suddenly went bankrupt, there would be some other airline company to take its place. And that's the way it should be. Sell it off; close it down; or face the consequences. We're not living in 1977 any more. |
And can anyone explain why the pilots in Alitalia have two seperate unions..surely one is enough!!???:ugh:
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There are two pilot unions in Italy, ANPAC and UP, and Alitalia pilots can belong to either of them.
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They are in talks
Ah but in terms of the company as a whole, there are 9, 2 pilot unions - are these unions taking part in the discussions?
Yes Both the unions are in talks,getting nowhere,management getting nowhere.:ugh: You would think they could agree and remain an airline. Bad show another one will go very very soon. |
"A little more money for my dad and little more bread for me" ... they really must think people are so naive or perhaps that really is their view of the outside world. Maybe they've been able to drag this whole sorry saga of Alitalia on for so long simply because they believe the Italian and Europe public is so foolish. If this little boy's father is so poor perhaps he should change professions because in Europe today that's quite an offensive slogan to parade around especially when there are genuine people facing hard times at present. What the Alitalia crews are looking for is Armani style luxury in their working conditions, they have become far too accustomed to their lofty Alitalia ideals alot of which are unfounded and can no longer be supported. Yet the union durmmer boy leads them to make further specious comments proclaiming how bad done by they are. They should check out workers in other industries or even aviation crews in other Europe states, shame on them. Now they are going to get 7 years (wow, I'm breathless) at 80% as a redundancy payout, unjustified they aren't worth it.
Politics and unions, dear oh dear that combination gives satan (I refuse to use a capital 'S') a bad name! Would we be allowed to break the rules and start handing out huge amounts of tax payers cash for Lehman Brothers? If BA ever got even a sniff of the tax payers pot at this scale there would have been all manner of accusations from Italy dito from France. This is evidently very clear why Europe doesn't work and won't do so for some time to come. It's hugely unfair, corrupt and unworkable. I just hope and pray that new Alitalia-lite will be more successful but without changing attitudes I fear it has merely reset the clock which will in time once again wind down to the point we find ourselves at today. I have never understood why Britain is so keen on Europe geographic proximity doesn't mean a sharing of minds or hearts, just look at China/Japan, India/Pakistan, Mexico/USA. Shame on the Alitalia unions and politicians they have successfully demonstrated they are one and the same thing, crooks. |
Ah but in terms of the company as a whole, there are 9, 2 pilot unions - are these unions taking part in the discussions? Is not the first time that in Italy different Unions representing the same category does not agree with the management. The management often have to struck different deals with all the Unions. Seems that the Unions are not even able to sit around a table to find a common stand... |
"Esclusivo - Il piano Air One in caso di fallimento Alitalia"
"The competitors are ready to take care of the most important domesic routes if Alitalia collapses" - informs La Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno. According to them, if Alitalia is grounded, Air One and others are ready to intervene. Air One has prepared an extraordinary plan of upgrading its flights, which will try to capture some traffic deserted by the airline. Air One would intervene immediately with additional flights to and from Rome and Milan Linate. To cope with the situation, the company has already made agreements with some charter operators from which it's ready to wet lease up to five aircraft with crews to reinforce the network of the company. Concerning Linate, the plan provides 14 daily frequencies more on Linate-Fiumicino route, 3 on the Linate-Naples, 2 on the Linate-Catania and Linate to Bari, as well as the Linate-Palermo and Linate-Lamezia routes. At Fiumicino, the strengthening would cover all the routes now operated by Alitalia with the exclusion of Brindisi, Trieste and links on Sardinia. All companies operating in Italy are making similar plans. According to some rumours, in case of Alitalia collapsing even Ryanair would be ready to add some domestic flights from the Italian airports where it already operates, while the priority would be Rome and Milan (Bergamo?). Major international companies (Air France, Lufthansa and British Airways) should instead aim to strengthen links from Malpensa and Rome to their European hubs - writes "La Gazzetta". |
Something new. Italian industry minister, Claudio Scajola, extended today the bankruptcy protection to two other AZ units, Alitalia Express and Volare.
Volare? Wow! It must be world's first low-cost carrier to enjoy a bankruptcy protection. :E Meanwhile, Luigi Angeletti, national secretary for the UIL union, said: "There is a good chance to succeed with an agreement, but getting all nine unions to agree is a miracle." The unions' meeting Tuesday was canceled for "technical reasons" and might be rescheduled for Wednesday. |
Alitalia begins strike and cancels flights
Alitalia begins strike and cancels flights - News news
Alitalia customers at Sofia Airport will be unpleasantly surprised to find out that the company’s flights to Rome on September 17 had been cancelled. The company would cancel a total of 40 flights from and to Amsterdam, Belgrade, Bucharest, Kiev, Lisbon, Madrid, Milan, Nice, Paris, Sofia and Verona, which were to be serviced between 12am and 4pm Central European Summer Time, Alitalia said in a statement on its website late on the evening of September 16. The flights were cancelled because of a strike, the statements said, without giving further details. |
A strike? How quaint. As I recall, SABENA staff were on strike at the same time the crumbled pile of the company went into bankruptcy. Still, at least it looks like something will actually happen this time.
That said ... the report from oppure is not encouraging as it sounds like the mgmt want to keep their noses firmly in the trough. Which is fine if the customers are getting a great service. :oh: |
Banana Republics
It's so cynical the way that politicians in banana republics always use "Nationalism" as a cover-up for corruption.
In this case, bad airline gets loaded onto the state, good airline gets sold to Uncle Sylvio and his mates. So much for Nationalism? |
Kind of cute this nationalism, but it is from a bygone era. The EU exists, and what is happening in this spaghetti western effects the industry outside the mere national boundary. If the EU just stands back and lets a deal like this go through it will further undermine it reason for being.
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EU
it will further undermine it reason for being. But agree with your main point. |
politicians in banana republics always use "Nationalism" as a cover-up for corruption . |
I hope this isn't the sort of strike your suppliers go on when you don't pay your bills.
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Alitalia
BBC World has just reported Breaking News that the rescue consortium has fully withdrawn its offer to save Alitalia. Terrible news.
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If true and Alitalia do go completely out of business (which I doubt, the italian government won't allow it) then about time. Not bad news at all, talk about cutting off your nose despite your face!! I don't get the union's thinking, they will not make concessions to their extravegent working practices, apparently preferring the airline to go bust and therefore lose everything. BIZARRE:=:ugh:
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