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INeedTheFull90 14th Sep 2014 17:46

Im going to call BS on that theory. Look at SEN. Three based A319s. On many occasions they don't make it in, and they are based there.

If a based aircraft on the last sector of the day does give it a go, then as the night draws on and it cools, the fog will thicken and vis will worsen. I do not believe for one minute having a based plane will impact performance.

Conversely, if a based plane was to operate a rotation from base with a good chance of not getting back then surely the ops department would be likely to cancel both the outbound and return flights so as not to get stuck down route overnight and affect the next days program.

GusHoneybun 14th Sep 2014 18:12


Conversely, if a based plane was to operate a rotation from base with a good chance of not getting back then surely the ops department would be likely to cancel both the outbound and return flights so as not to get stuck down route overnight and affect the next days program.
Exactly my point.

INeedTheFull90 14th Sep 2014 18:53

No, you're saying having an INV base would reduce the likelyhood of cancellations, I am saying it would not,

bad bear 11th Nov 2014 08:19

How are Flybe doing on the London City route? Has the introduction of the new route had an effect on the London Gatwick flights?

bb

Richard Taylor 11th Nov 2014 09:35

One stop to USA
 
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...ever-new-deal/

bad bear 29th Nov 2014 14:47

Looking at the Inverness departures board things look pretty quiet, 4 London flights 1 Ams, 1Dub and a couple of flights to Manchester. Considering there is an ACP for controlled airspace it would be hard to justify any controlled airspace. Will the airspace be Monday to Friday? I guess it would be pretty expensive to have to cover 24 hours a day with radar controllers for just a handful of flights

bb

NorthSouth 29th Nov 2014 19:30

They already have radar

scr1 30th Nov 2014 09:05

And winter Saturdays are always very quite. Try looking during the summer, or on other days

bad bear 24th Dec 2014 08:34

I see there were 1483 passengers from Inverness to Dublin in November so approx. 25 each way if there were 30 flights, is that good? 2497 passengers on the Amsterdam so around 42 per flight sounds ok?

bb

NSFU 2nd Jan 2015 13:57

LCY didn't last long

INV-LCY suspended from 22 Feb :(

bad bear 2nd Jan 2015 18:31

Flybe scraps Inverness to London City flights | Inverness Courier | News


In the three months to September the number of passengers fell by 5.7 per cent on the same period in 2013. The passenger figures for the three months to the end of 2014 have not yet been released.

At the time the last set of figures were released Highlands and Islands Airports, which runs the Dalcross site, blamed a lower number of charter holiday flights, but added that it expected the new service to London City - and increased flight numbers to Manchester - to reverse that trend going into 2015.
LCY to INV had 3376 passengers in Nov, thats more than the Amsterdam and a lot more than Dublin, are those at risk too?

scr1 2nd Jan 2015 19:12

But AMS and DUB are once a day while LCY is twice

GusHoneybun 2nd Jan 2015 19:13

I don't think the AMS and DUB flight are at risk as the main difference is that these are codeshare flights with KLM and Aer Lingus.

Without any onward connectivity, any regional flight will struggle to stand alone.

bean 2nd Jan 2015 19:25

Not only that: they are lower frequency and consequently higher load factor

bad bear 2nd Jan 2015 19:44

bean, what is the load factor on the LCY,DUB and AMS?
GusHoneybun, do code shares attract a higher or lower yeild?
scr1, if you were to double the numbers on the single Dublin rotation it would still be less than the double daily LCY

bb

scr1 2nd Jan 2015 20:35

Bad Bear Yes you are right at the moment , But it was a odd time to launch the DUB route.

When aer aran flew to DUB it was dead in winter but busy in summer.

And when Scot Airways did LCY from INV pax figs weer in the single digits often, But that was at a bad time of day.

bean 3rd Jan 2015 00:12

Full official CAA stats out on about 16th Jany alsp Flybe trading update for October to December due a week later. It will be very easy to work out load factors then

bean 3rd Jan 2015 05:09

Based on CAA provisional stats for November load factors are:-
Inv-Dub 33.3%
Inv-Ams 53.4%
inv-Lcy 43.29%
Of course we don't know the yields or forward booking performance of these routes

BA318 19th Jan 2015 11:17

Inverness Airport closed after plane comes off runway - Telegraph

Flybe Q400 off the runway at INV.

fjencl 17th Sep 2015 22:57

Loganair Expansion at INVERNESS
 
Loganair takes over Inverness to Manchester services - BBC News

:D:D:D

VickersVicount 18th Sep 2015 19:31

isnt that a downgrade to small old Saabs?

The96er 18th Sep 2015 19:39

The INV-MAN route has been operating on Loganair Saab 2000's for some months now.

CabinCrewe 28th Sep 2015 13:51

Nice to see a reasonably significant EZY increase on LGW/LTN ex INV from next summer.

scr1 4th Nov 2015 08:00

BA to return to Inverness
 
Good to see the LHR route back hope it works this time

New flights between Inverness and Heathrow announced. - BBC News

Richard Taylor 4th Nov 2015 08:51

Great news for Inverness. :ok:

VickersVicount 4th Nov 2015 08:56

excellent news and puts paid to the slot sitter naysayers about BA and commitment to regional domestics. Even LBA has lasted!

Skipness One Echo 4th Nov 2015 10:01

Bang!
"Look what LHR can do for the wider economy".
Like LGW-JFK, this is strategy driven rather than commercially driven surely?

BMI tried and failed badly at this, JER next?

Jamie2k9 4th Nov 2015 20:06

Ensuring the SNP vote in favour of RY3....not that it was ever really a question for them.

Wouldn't suprise me if BA are paying next to nothing in charges at LHR for the route!

CabinCrewe 4th Nov 2015 21:03

given that BA have stuck with the similar examples of Belfast and Leeds where BD appeared to have failed, one presumes they are more than just political show pieces and they expect some return. The days of political loss making routes are gone. If some think a once daily to INV will clinch RW3 then imo thats naive.

Bagso 4th Nov 2015 22:05

Pure politics in advance of next month's decision.

I suspect this has been read the wrong way by previous posters.

It's a VOTE AGAINST LHR expansion not FOR.

BA do not want RW3.

BA are effectively saying we can connect regional airports
without a 3rd runway, it closes down the argument with reference to lack of slots.

Fairdealfrank 4th Nov 2015 22:15


excellent news and puts paid to the slot sitter naysayers about BA and commitment to regional domestics. Even LBA has lasted!
Agreed, never bought into the idea a new route would be launched just to slot-sit if it was not profitable as well. Also not suggesting that LBA and INV are profitable slot-sitters!




Bang!
"Look what LHR can do for the wider economy".
Like LGW-JFK, this is strategy driven rather than commercially driven surely?
Can see that LGW-JFK could be stategic with DY starting on the route, but LHR-INV? No one else is on that route.


BMI tried and failed badly at this, JER next?
JER would be good, but who can say.

BD used to have 14% of LHR slots but by the time BA bought it from LH it was down to just 8%. That's a hell of a lot of slots to go from BD!

Maybe these slots were asset-stripped from BD to LH or else leased/sold to other Star Alliance carriers? Whether BD ended these routes just because they were unprofitable (or failed to get a proper share on interlinung) or not is a moot point. Even if profitable for BD on INV, JER, LBA, MME, etc., or not, maybe LH believed the slots were more profitable elsewhere?




Ensuring the SNP vote in favour of RY3....not that it was ever really a question for them.
Clearly not enough on its own, but as a part of a bigger deal? Or maybe just coincidence?


Wouldn't suprise me if BA are paying next to nothing in charges at LHR for the route!
Could be, LHR management were talking about reducing charges for domestic flights.



given that BA have stuck with the similar examples of Belfast and Leeds where BD appeared to have failed, one presumes they are more than just political show pieces and they expect some return. The days of political loss making routes are gone. If some think a once daily to INV will clinch RW3 then imo thats naive
Exactly, it's all about commercial considerations and a return to shareholders, which is fair enough as airlines are private sector companies.

It also remains the fact that BA (like any hub-and-spoke operator) needs feeder flights to connect with its longhaul offerings.

virginblue 17th Nov 2015 18:55

Well, after John Lennon, George Best and Robin Hood I am not putting any money on this not going to happen:

http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.c...irport-6841898

BAladdy 17th Nov 2015 20:43


Agreed, never bought into the idea a new route would be launched just to slot-sit if it was not profitable as well. Also not suggesting that LBA and INV are profitable slot-sitters!
The INV-LHR route has the potential to become a route served by more than one daily frequency with BA if demand dictates. I personally don't believe BA are launching INV to slot sit. However equally BA won't continue to operate the route if it is not profitable. I guess you could say it is going to be a case of use it or loose it.

I know that BA have made the price of the fares as competitive as they possibly with some cheaper than EZY by the looks of thing. Now all they need to do is work with HIAL on marketing and advertising and I am sure the route will be success

Fairdealfrank 17th Nov 2015 20:55


Well, after John Lennon, George Best and Robin Hood I am not putting any money on this not going to happen:

http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.c...irport-6841898
Ha ha, it's April 1st!


The INV-LHR route has the potential to become a route served by more than one daily frequency with BA if demand dictates. I personally don't believe BA are launching INV to slot sit. However equally BA won't continue to operate the route if it is not profitable. I guess you could say it is going to be a case of use it or loose it.
Exactly.

Bjarte 8th Dec 2015 10:36

KLM
 
KLM daily Amsterdam - Inverness starting May 17!


Departing Amsterdam 09:45 – Arriving in Inverness 10:25
Departing Inverness 11:00 – Arriving in Amsterdam 13:40
Type of aircraft: Fokker 70

Richard Taylor 8th Dec 2015 10:44

Great news for Inverness - again! :ok:

Take up the Hold 8th Dec 2015 10:51

Is it really May 17?

Surely they are not announcing the service nearly 18 months in advance.

TUTH

Bjarte 8th Dec 2015 10:54

17 May 2016 :ok:

Take up the Hold 8th Dec 2015 11:58

Thanks for clarifying.

Good news for Inverness

TUTH

FFHKG 8th Dec 2015 11:59

Does Inverness already have Immigration and Customs Controls, or will they need to establish this and second staff from one of the other Scottish airports?


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