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gaelgeoir 1st Feb 2007 11:06

Based on the Knock precedent there's nothing to prevent an Irish or other E.U. airline operating a scheduled transatlantic service from Cork. In addition, a U.S. or European airline can operate unrestricted transatlantic charters from there. Clearly none yet believes that it's a viable market.

840 1st Feb 2007 11:09

That's what I was thinking. Rather than creating a fuss saying that Knock shouldn't be allowed to do this, people in Cork would be much better off letting Knock make the precedent and using this to justify flights ex-Cork.

mark_heg 1st Feb 2007 11:50

agreed, but how long does it have to take for it to occur in cork , and yes cork would be a viable market hands down thats a no brainer :ugh: And whats this about Delta?? I'll believe it when I see it, where is the foundations to this ?

FlyCorkInternational 1st Feb 2007 11:59

the following is the full text of the reply i received from the Aviation Regulation and International Relations division of the Department of Transport in Dublin.

1 The Flyglobespan flights originate from two destinations in the UK and have been given permission to land and pick up passengers at Ireland West (Knock). The airline is designated under the UK US Air Services Agreement The traffic rights to operate the routes set out in the application are based on the UK US Air Services Agreement and traffic rights have been approved by the US and UK authorities.

The Minister for Transport has granted authorisation under Section 8 of the Air Navigation and Transport Act, 1965 for the operation of air services by FlyGlobespan via Ireland West Airport Knock to and from two points in the UK and US for an initial period of twelve months:

2 As the Ireland US Air Services Agreement is still in force the status of Shannon and Dublin Airports is unchanged

3 On the question of Cork Airport it may be of interest that permission was given some years ago for an Irish carrier to operate direct tranatlantic flights from Cork to designated points (as per the Ireland US Air Services Agreement) in the US. The operator did not proceed with the service. We have no application for transatlantic flights from Cork at present.

Tom the Tenor 1st Feb 2007 15:48

Can anyone point us to the actual wording of Section 8 of The Air Navigation and Transport Act, 1965 and what Irish carrier was it that sought rights some years ago to fly routes between Cork and points in America? Lost on me? Translift?

If and it is indeed a big if were Delta Airlines ever to turn up at Cork where would they park if a 767 was used? It would not be the airbridge stand, 9T and that is for sure! It would be a brisk walk down to the sole widebody stand if you are lucky enough to be able bodied! Delta would just love that!

You can just imagine the scene, the geniuses up at Cork plying the guys from Atlanta with loads of Murphys and Heineken over at The Kiln and in a weakness Delta give in and tell Cork that they'll stop off a 767 at Cork at something like twice a week from next year from somewhere like Amsterdam or Brussels on the way to New York only to be told by the Cork crowd that they don't want a 767 and that a 757 will do instead!

Best of luck to everyone at Knock Airport with the fabulous series of flights from flyglobespan to New York and Boston. More than anything Knock has shown up what a farce the whole US - Ireland bilateral actually is, nothing but a nasty, gutless piece of verbal engineering that has given nothing but positive discrimination and comfort to the cute boyos in Shannon at the expense of the rest of the people of Ireland and especially those livining within the catchment areas of Cork and, indeed, Dublin Airports. Let it not be said that I have not ever had some sympathy for Dublin Airport over the thirty years or so! Mind you, the same cannot be said too much in relation to Dublin's regard for Cork Airport?

ryan2000 1st Feb 2007 16:35

There are a number of transatlantic carriers looking at Cork.

It appears that Delta were guests of the CAA at last weeks Corporate Dinner at the Travel Fair.
This did not go unnoticed in some quarters but I wouldn't get too excited about it at this stage.

EI-DHC 1st Feb 2007 17:58

Transatlantic from ORK
 
Received this e-mail from Cork Airport after I enquired abou any t/a routes being started from ORK:

"I can assure you that the Management Team are in regular and frequent contact with existing and potential airline customers to secure even further new routes for Cork Airport.

As you will have seen from recent announcement, Aer Lingus has recently added Madrid, Lanzarote, Prague and Manchester to increase the number of routes being offered by Ireland's flag carrier to 17. Aer Arann has recently added Galway and Leeds Bradford as well as increasing rotations to Dublin while Centralwings has added Warsaw to their two current routes to Poland.

Added to that, the increase in winter sun and winter ski charter flights this season and our passenger business continues to grow an impressive rate of 11% year on year, serving over 3 million passengers in 2006 - an historic landmark year for Cork Airport.

Our marketing team are in constant contact with most if not all of the airline partners that could offer direct flights to New York and other east coast destinations but no announcement is imminent on transatlantic flights at this time. Our aim is to deliver a quality airport travel experience to the best international standards and offer our customers an even greater choice of carriers and destinations going forward into Summer 2007 and beyond."

No t/a routes in the pipeline just yet.

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ryan2000 1st Feb 2007 18:33

Cork letter
 
The news that Aerlingus has added Madrid, Lanzarote and Prague to their network is about 7 months old and has been repeated ad nauseum in press releases from Cork. Manchester is a bit more recent (3 months old)

No mention in the letter of all the routes that have been lost including CSA, Easyjet,SN Brussells, Loganair and BMI Regional or why Knock has beaten the airport serving the 2nd largest City in the state to transatlantic flights.
The last part of the question is being asked in many quarters this week inside and outside of Cork Airport

MarkD 2nd Feb 2007 14:27

NOC is probably a bit more convenient routing wise LPL/GLA-Ireland-US than ORK most days... JER-ORK-US anyone :hmm:

jbsharpe 2nd Feb 2007 14:42

FR incident thread
 
In case anyone didn't spot the fascinating thread concerning the FR Bishopstown low-pass incident..

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262132

JBS

Tom the Tenor 2nd Feb 2007 15:40

Have no fear - hard to miss the AAIU report on the FR 737-800 at Cork last June 4th. SOPs and CRM were out the door. Cork Airport is famous enough as it is without ever needing another alarming incident like that to occur again.

Aer Lingus have been having two quiet days recently. The MAD flight did not operate yesterday and the ALC flight did not operate today. Whatever about Madrid this reinforces my opinion that Alicante should be dropped for most of the winter in favour of Valencia which at least has a long weekend attraction more so that ALC. Sure hope EI put a bit more thought into where they might go from Cork from next winter. It would be great to see Munich again even if it was just winter only at about two a week?

Dont know for sure but am wondering are DHL being caught out with the ATP in Cork. Two German Metros arrived last night on freighter duty but am not sure if they were DHL related. It would be good to think that the ATP is too small and that an Electra or 757 revival might be considered?

Of course, I may be all wrong and the Metros had nothing at all to do with DHL!

en2r 3rd Feb 2007 12:31

Cork-Madrid
 
Madrid doesn't seem to be doing very well from Cork. Ryanair's recently introduced Shannon-Madrid route has destroyed any chances the route had of being successful. There really isn't enough demand for two services to Madrid from Munster. I wonder how long FR would take to pull the route if EI pulled Cork-Madrid. I'd guess a few days at the most.

parsi 3rd Feb 2007 16:52

Cork - Berlin
 
Went over to Berlin on one of the old 6euro flights on Thursday and there were 72 on board. Cam back this morning and it looks like the inbound and outbound legs had similar figures. Comfy flight and arrived early. Friendly staff and no doubting that the homeward flight was captained by a Cork man..

Arrived into the chaos that seems to be Cork Airport - the Blue Channel for customs was closed off. All the newly arrived folk from the Canaries decided to hang around just outside the baggage area.

As it becoming a habit I had to visit 4 pay stations in the long term car park as three were out of order. Surely they cold ensure that the damn things work..

asianfly 4th Feb 2007 05:15

As it becoming a habit I had to visit 4 pay stations in the long term car park as three were out of order. Surely they cold ensure that the damn things work..

Similar thing happened to me at SNN recently...except that the machine was working in that it would take your money, but give no change! As I had put in a 20 Euro note, I obviously went to the desk and asked them to retrieve my outstanding amount. The guys there told me to tell the man at the exit booth my story and he would refund me.
Only in Ireland would we have a self service machine and then a staffed exit booth where a guy collects the ticket off you! An automatic and manual at the same time!!
Also, given that no-one was getting change, that 'dodgy machine' was basically rounding up the car park fees to whatever people put into the machine. A nice little money earner at out state airports no doubt.
Serving the people me arse....

runawayedge 4th Feb 2007 20:13

I can assure all you intrepid Corkonians that CRK had nothing to do with the GWY introduction....in fact I understand they were quite bemused when the concept was proposed!

RE72 4th Feb 2007 20:19

RUNAWAYEDGE,

What Is Your Above Comment In Relation To?

runawayedge 4th Feb 2007 21:06

Hotel Charlie's email response from the CRK murketing department!

brian_dromey 5th Feb 2007 19:51

Manchester
 
Looks like from March EI are reducing MAN from 5xWeek to 3x Week, in the process dumping the Sunday flights.

There go my chances of Gold Circle...

Bad news, unless they plan to muck around with the schedules a bit to fit in a daily service, with the other 4 operated by ORK based a/c? I believe there might be room in the schedules to do this?

en2r 5th Feb 2007 20:57

EI Cork-Manchester
 
Bookings must have been disappointing! They have 5 per week for the Easter period, but then go down to 3 per week. I suppose Monday and Friday being critical days they couldn't really compete with BMI Baby's daily offering. Perhaps FR reintroducing a daily service to Liverpool hurt bookings? I don't think there is space in the schedules of the 4 Cork based aircraft to fit in 4 flights per week. Perhaps they will operate Cork-Birmingham with a Dublin based aircraft and then use the Cork based aircraft to do M-W-F-S on Cork-Manchester. I'd doubt it though.

mark_heg 6th Feb 2007 01:58

Aside
 
Just reading about the new control Tower that is to be constructed to the west of the field. Is it really necessary to contruct a new Tower at the present time? It would be a lot more advantageous to extent runways, apron space and upgrage Nav aids. I was just having a look at Google earth there as well, how viable is it to extend 07/25. If this could be done this would be a much better option than 17/35 and install CAT III on it as well. Can they get a compulsory purchase planning order to obtain the land surrounding the runway for an extension, like they did for the N22 bypass through Ballincollig. I think this would be a more logical step in order to stop diversions and attract new traffic. I wonder how much this would cost versus a new Control Tower. Don't get me wrong a new control tower would be great but there are more pressing issues to be rectified I would have imagined. Any thoughts?


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