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schooner 8th May 2016 11:20

It won't come to a strike.

Capt Scribble 8th May 2016 19:27

The Union fed the story to the press; what a senseless thing to do when the charter industry is already battling serious problems caused by political instability.

EGAC is Better 9th May 2016 18:45


Originally Posted by Capt Scribble (Post 9370082)
The Union fed the story to the press; what a senseless thing to do when the charter industry is already battling serious problems caused by political instability.

Is the story true? Will cabin crew only get 20 mins break in a 12 hour shift if it implemented? Are CC being used more as glorifed shop assistants than as a key part of safe operations of the aircraft?

Capt Scribble 10th May 2016 07:43

Rest breaks are mandated under EASA, but how the crew are worked is actually up to the supervisor on the day. Crew are there to carry out safety procedures, anthing else is at the direction of the Company to make money and provide a pleasant flight. Crew are incentivised by a commission system, so its up to them how hard they work. There are some other issues, but as ever, there are 2 sides to every story.

HeartyMeatballs 10th May 2016 08:11

If you're sensible there's always a chance to build in a break into the day.

Get the first service done. Clear up. Assign rest to 2/3 crew and close off a galley to rest. Have two crew on hand to assist passengers. Then once the time is up, swap over.

Yes, as crew you're always 'on duty', but it's no different to an office worker taking a break knowing the phone could go at any time.

Or, we could increase turnaround times by 20 minutes, and push up prices or reduce ROCE on each aircraft and risk jobs or bases?

I don't believe for one minute that on the long sectors TCX do that there can't be time found for 20 minutes of rest.

Perhaps the pursers could be taught better time management?

cfol 11th May 2016 13:52

Hi, I've got a question about a Thomas Cook Scheduled flight - not sure if anyone here can help but thought it might be worth a shot.

Any idea if there's a specific time when scheduled flight times are up-dated? I'm interested in Flight MT 2538 (Manchester - Antalya), and want to know when flight times have been changed between July last year (07:00) and current flight time (14:15).

It's to help me deal with a difficult tour operator who say they were only informed about this change a week ago. I recognise I may be being optimistic in thinking this will help., but any help appreciated.

Best regards,

cfol

canberra97 11th May 2016 17:50

cfol

I can't help you on your specific question but Antalya is a Thomas Cook charter flight not classed as a scheduled flight in the same way as the ex MAN USA flights are.

Itchin McCrevis 11th May 2016 19:37


Any idea if there's a specific time when scheduled flight times are up-dated? I'm interested in Flight MT 2538 (Manchester - Antalya), and want to know when flight times have been changed between July last year (07:00) and current flight time (14:15).
There are certain key dates in the scheduling process for the summer 16 season

The first is the world-wide summer slot conference in mid-November, up until that point no airline could be sure that they had got the airport slots at the times they wanted at either end of the route unless they had operated an identical flight at an identical time in summer 15. Up until this point, in the absence of those "historic rights", many of the advertised flight times could only have been provisional.

The second key date was the slot return deadline in mid January by which time the airlines were supposed to have completed their slot swapping/trading and should have firmed up their summer 16 programmes.

This is the way it is supposed to work but some carriers, holiday/charter companies in particular, will continue to add, cut and change things around in response to actual sales trends even as late in the day as this.

sparkysam 16th May 2016 16:12

Hi all please see post 2544. Did not travel on Air Tanker in the end, both flights by older aircraft with downstairs toilets. Very good flights with pleasant crew.
Cheers Sam

111KAB 25th May 2016 16:40

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...-strike-action

valefan16 25th May 2016 19:07

Fly with these with our young family next Thursday. Hope this doesn't cause chaos for our holiday as lot of money for us with a new baby.

Nervous!

azz767 5th Jul 2016 11:22

With regards to the A330 fleet, there doesn't seem to be much fleet rotation as the same bunch of 330's are operating in MAN everyday, have TCX decided to base certain frames for the duration of summer?

VickersVicount 5th Jul 2016 15:43

likewise its the same 3 essentially at GLA

LandingConfig 5th Jul 2016 17:50

I think this is due to certain frames having premium economy and some don't.

The two based at GLA (Air Tanker, HiFly) are both all-economy but MDBD, OMYT and MLJL are all 2-class and are usually stuck on the LAX/JFK/BOS routes.

PQC 6th Jul 2016 21:57


Originally Posted by LandingConfig (Post 9430875)
I think this is due to certain frames having premium economy and some don't.

The two based at GLA (Air Tanker, HiFly) are both all-economy but MDBD, OMYT and MLJL are all 2-class and are usually stuck on the LAX/JFK/BOS routes.

Probably because the competition ex EGCC - AA, CO, VS, DL/VS - all have 2-class offering and TCX / MT need to have a similar level of service to attract those pax who want to have a better level of service than Y but aren't prepared to pay the prices charged by the American carriers for their bog-basic cattle-class and certainly won't stump up the extra for 'business'.

sunshine79 8th Jul 2016 16:20

There is to be a new destination announced on 14th July for Tour Operations, unsure if it will be a TCX flight though

sunshine79 14th Jul 2016 11:49

New route Manchester to Split Monday's and Friday's for Summer 2017

chinapattern 14th Jul 2016 17:58

Birmingham - Comiso seasonal from 3 May 2017.

G TAXi 16th Jul 2016 05:42

Can't understand why there is no longhaul today from TCX at any Scottish airport, today is the start of the Glasgow holidays.

FRatSTN 16th Jul 2016 08:33

Both the A330's have moved down to STN for the English school holidays. They'll stay there for about six weeks before returning to GLA in September. Seems to be the common set-up now.

sdh2903 16th Jul 2016 08:44


Originally Posted by G TAXi (Post 9441501)
Can't understand why there is no longhaul today from TCX at any Scottish airport, today is the start of the Glasgow holidays.

Glasgow holidays started 3 weeks ago.

VickersVicount 16th Jul 2016 09:27

It is the start of the local 'Glasgow Fair' holidays today.

LandingConfig 16th Jul 2016 10:22


Originally Posted by G TAXi (Post 9441501)
Can't understand why there is no longhaul today from TCX at any Scottish airport, today is the start of the Glasgow holidays.

GLA is the only airport served by TCX. As others stated, the holidays started at the end of June/start of July and the two based A330s from Air Tanker and HiFly are based at STN from the middle of July until the end of August.

Long haul from GLA resumes on the 27th August.

G TAXi 16th Jul 2016 10:37

Glasgow fair holidays only started today granted schools finished at end of June in Scotland as a whole, there is a lot of buisnesses which this is when the holidays begin. destinations such as Las Vegas and Cancun are mainly Adult holiday destinations. So why there are no flights is beyond me.

Una Due Tfc 16th Jul 2016 12:11

Have TCX managed to source additional A330s next year or are they struggling like pretty much every other operator without options to exercise?

LandingConfig 16th Jul 2016 13:22

According to jethros there's an extra A332 joining in April 2017.

Brigantee 16th Jul 2016 16:15

Come 2017 i think lack of capacity will be the least of many Uk Airlines problems....

OntimeexceptACARS 20th Jul 2016 11:48

Seating on A321
 
I kniw its been a race to the bottom for years now, and TCX are making money again, but just endured a 4.5 hour flight to the Canaries on a newbuild A321.

Seats comfortable enough except for woeful seat squab length. And I am 5ft8. Can't get any tighter, can it?

crackling jet 2nd Aug 2016 07:33

Anyone have any idea what TCX have in store for Bristol next summer

cheesebag 2nd Aug 2016 09:57

I know Onti... I'm flying out of EMA on Thursday to ACE.. both based TCX aircraft at the mo are DA and DV. ironically the two aircraft I flew to and from HER on last summer.

So if anyone from TCX ops is reading this any chance of a new one being drafted in to EMA for Thursday please :p

SFCC 2nd Aug 2016 19:57

Not a prayer

dude1882 3rd Aug 2016 07:07

Unless one goes Tech, you might end up with a swap... DZ and DY have been up recently, but again the old ones.

LiamNCL 3rd Aug 2016 09:45

Seems like older models are only rotated LGW/EMA/MAN/STN

azz767 18th Aug 2016 10:36

Reported on another forum that 3 Condor 757-300's will join the TCX fleet for summer 17, and 763 TCCA will be gone back to the lessor, with TCCB not far behind

LandingConfig 18th Aug 2016 12:05

Just replacing the 767s then?

azz767 18th Aug 2016 15:48

The source on the forum says the remaining two 767's TCCB and DAJC will go to condor for winter and at the moment both will be back for summer, however both could remain at condor for a further 757-300. So whichever way it goes, UK gains aircraft. And as far as I am aware capacity on the two isn't too different when the 767's are in shorthaul config

dude1882 20th Aug 2016 13:07


Originally Posted by cheesebag (Post 9459164)
I know Onti... I'm flying out of EMA on Thursday to ACE.. both based TCX aircraft at the mo are DA and DV. ironically the two aircraft I flew to and from HER on last summer.

So if anyone from TCX ops is reading this any chance of a new one being drafted in to EMA for Thursday please :p

G-TCDV looks like it went Tech yesterday aftenoon at EMA, so G-TCDE was bought in from MAN and been operating since... Just missed out on the chance for sharklets ;)

MKY661 20th Aug 2016 13:44


TCCA will be gone back to the lessor, with TCCB not far behind
TCCB will still be around next Summer, I reckon it'll go after that.

Boeing737-8 6th Oct 2016 16:43

Does anyone know what will happen with the crewing of the new LTN - DLM. The flight does MAN - DLM - LTN - DLM -MAN. The plane will be an a320.

Twiglet1 6th Oct 2016 17:07

Boeing

1 crew operates LTN-DLM-MAN and the other MAN-DLM-LTN.
1 crew probably taxi MAN-LTN after the flight and I suspect either a LTN crew will position the day before to go into the Hotel and op MAN-DLM-LTN or a MAN crew will op MAN-DLM-LTN and either taxi straight back or rest in Hotel and taxi back.
Its all glamour for sure....
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