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FRatSTN 21st Jan 2013 11:17

I was actually just kidding but I suppose if they could buy Prestwick for virtually nothing, they could just give it a lick of paint here and there and give it a shot, but I would be very surprised since they've just purchased Stansted.

Burnie5204 21st Jan 2013 12:15

It was raised as a joke in the meeting too.

Though PIK wasnt mentioned it was just a generic non-serious question regarding scottish business. Though as I say, the response that came back was a serious one which took us by surprise which was based on not getting STN, or becoming long term aspirations if MAG did

FRatSTN 2nd Feb 2013 10:37

A couple more charters which will be back at Stansted this year:


Onur Air to Antalya onwards to Ercan (operates Sundays from March 31)

BH Air to Bourgas (operates Thursdays from August 8)

virginblue 11th Feb 2013 20:26

Now that Stansted is operating at roughly 70 per cent of its peak-time passenher throughput of 24m, has this any effect on the usage of the terminals? Are parts of the infrastructure unused or is 17m still enough passengers to keep the whole terminal and all satellites busy?

Pardon my ignorance, but I have not transited through STN for a while.

carousel 12th Feb 2013 12:56

A few new routes at Stanchester Airport
 
From this week nine new routes appearing. Both easyJet and Ryanair, are adding services to North Africa, Eastern Europe and other destinations in Greece, Germany and France.
On Friday easyJet will begin services to Marrakech in Morocco; followed by Sofia in Bulgaria on Saturday and finally Sharm El Sheikh in Egypt on Sunday.
Then later in March and April Ryanair are adding services to Tallinn in Estonia; Kefalonia in Greece; Nuremburg in Germany; Strasbourg and Dole in France; and finally Ostrava in the Czech Republic will commence in June.

compton3bravo 12th Feb 2013 17:16

Glad to see new routes from Stansted but I think the easyJet services are being operated by reducing the number of frequencies on some existing routes so no overall pax change.

FRatSTN 12th Feb 2013 17:35

And hopefully a few more to come in the coming months and years.

nt639 12th Feb 2013 19:13

Cargolux
 
Cargo Boost for STN

Are these the previous Manston operated flights?

Jes 12th Feb 2013 23:35

No. CLX flights at Manston are 3 per week from Nairobi and 1 per week from Accra.

cornishsimon 13th Feb 2013 03:35

Why split cargo ops over two London ish area airports ? Surely it would be cost effective to have everything at one airport ?

j636 18th Feb 2013 19:24

a rumour has being started and its that EK or EY plan a STN service...

FRatSTN 18th Feb 2013 20:12

Where did you hear that rumour?

I do think that STN could sustain a small amount of long haul traffic. EK to DXB would be a good one and I can actually see something like UA to EWR working at STN as well.

It would be really good to see Emirates at Stansted, mainly as I'd love to see a direct link to Dubai. PIA tried it in the past but but I think the branding was the issue there. Plus, EK would do well for themselves to serve LHR, LGW and STN.

I have to say though, I'd still be suprised even if it did happen, but fingers crossed...

STN Ramp Rat 18th Feb 2013 20:24


Where did you hear that rumour?
on airliners.net .... so it must be true ;)

Rumour: EY Or EK To STN? — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

its not going to happen .... UNLESS its the B777F that operates to LHR on Saturdays that maybe cant get a slot into LHR for the summer

Skipness One Echo 18th Feb 2013 21:30

I believe it's planned in addition to the Saturday Skycargo service at LHR.

STN Ramp Rat 21st Feb 2013 17:33

an indication of things to come?
 
MAG's Andrew Harrison set to become new Stansted boss - Airport World News Online

FRatSTN 1st Mar 2013 09:14

Sale is complete. Website has now got the MAG logo but still the old BAA design at the moment.

Sad news of course is the Ryanair cut backs although still yet to see any changes on the booking system as of yet. I hope MAG will be able to recover this last minute loss promptly.

A few bits and pieces below:

Ferrovial/Baa Hikes Stansted Fees By 6% From April 2013 In A?

New owner sets out Stansted’s growth plan - FT.com

j636 1st Mar 2013 11:55


Sad news of course is the Ryanair cut backs
Serous? There will only be a 4% cut back as they say they will cut 9% but planned to grow 5%. I bet there will be zero affect on traffic as Ryanair's bark is worse that there bite.

daz211 1st Mar 2013 12:07

The new owners of Stansted today launched a battle of the skies as they vowed to take passengers from Heathrow and Gatwick after competing the £1.5bn purchase of the Essex airport.

They promised to take the airport, traditionally a stronghold of budget airlines, into the premier league with flights to 40 new long-haul destinations including the US, Caribbean and the Middle East.

Owners Manchester Airport Group (MAG) pledged to double annual passenger numbers 35 million, build new stands for the A380 superjumbos and spend £40m on new shops.

By 2018 they aim to boost annual passenger numbers by 5.5m to almost 23 million per year. There will be an extra 40 destinations, mainly long-haul flights to the US and the Caribbean and the Gulf. Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Singapore Airlines, Air France, KLM and Virgin are all set to fly out of Stansted which has been traditionally dominated by budget airlines Ryanair and easyJet.

Skipness One Echo 1st Mar 2013 12:44


By 2018 they aim to boost annual passenger numbers by 5.5m to almost 23 million per year. There will be an extra 40 destinations, mainly long-haul flights to the US and the Caribbean and the Gulf. Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, Singapore Airlines, Air France, KLM and Virgin are all set to fly out of Stansted which has been traditionally dominated by budget airlines Ryanair and easyJet.
Can you link to where you are getting this BS from please? This is SO far off the planet I need a source. A380s and long haul LGW can only dream of in under *five* years? Someone's been smoking something. This is a fanboys's wet dream not a serious proposition to take to market in such a timescale. The only thing missing is Concorde. If it's the (pay to read) FT link, they should know better.

Barling Magna 1st Mar 2013 13:09

A simple Google search shows this comes from that highly reputable journal, the Evening Standard (!):
Manchester Airport Group seals Stansted airport takeover deal - Transport - News - London Evening Standard
:)

Skipness One Echo 1st Mar 2013 13:29

It's good manners to always quote one's sources.....
Stansted takeover: Manchester Airport Group pledge sky battle as they seal £1.5bn deal - Transport - News - London Evening Standard
From the ever excitable Charlie Cornish.

“If we get the right level of customer experience and the right product, which is the right airlines flying the right planes at the right price, we will start to move volume around London. Some will always go to Heathrow and Gatwick but if it’s a strong product we hope to take volume not just from the north but the south”
That "IF" is big enough to be seen from space. How is GIP's plan at LGW going to do exactly the same? They've lost Korean, US Airways, Hong Kong Airlines and Delta in the space of a year, yet MAG is going to do all of the above in a five year timescale. Not being funny but that is so misleading there's a case for it being blatantly dishonest, unless he actually thinks he can achieve this in which case he's an amateur and out of his depth.
Charlie Cornish - United Kingdom | LinkedIn
This bloke's background is Thames Water where we have enough leaks to refloat Belgium, his aviation background appears limited. Anyway back to A380s at Stansted :)

daz211 1st Mar 2013 14:32

Good manners
 
Sorry the source was from the London evening standard.
I agree it is a bit of a tall order but at least they have an aim
Something BAA were lacking :ugh:.

EI-A330-300 1st Mar 2013 14:41

I can just see funding these plans will keep Ryanair happy at STN....but I suppose they have nowhere else to go in London so they will just have to put up with it.

compton3bravo 1st Mar 2013 16:33

Dream on Mr Cornish (MAG CEO) - does he honestly think airlines like Emirates etc are going to fly from Stansted - you have only got to look at Gatwick where long haul only waits for slots for Heathrow - except for some Caribbean and bucket and spade services. Well it sounds good but absolutely no chance!

rutankrd 1st Mar 2013 17:31

MAG might be the management team but those Ausi Speculators will be looking for quick results for their money one imagines.

These guys aren't know nothing amateur local councillors !

Buster the Bear 1st Mar 2013 22:17

MAG calculates that 50 million people live within two hours’ drive of the Essex airport.

Chuckles from Whipsnade!

Stansted takeover: Manchester Airport Group pledge sky battle as they seal £1.5bn deal - Transport - News - London Evening Standard

Aero Mad 2nd Mar 2013 10:08

BBC News - Ryanair threatens to cut Stansted Airport flights

Excellent news for Stansted

STN Ramp Rat 2nd Mar 2013 10:16

there will be a lot of posturing by Ryanair in the next few months.... dont believe everything you hear.

Ryanair have no new aircraft on order so they need to think about where they put theor existing fleet to make the most money and to fulfill the commitments thay have made to airports.

avturboy 2nd Mar 2013 14:20

As a resident of Stockport, a rate payer and therefore a part owner of MAG I am more than a bit concerned that within days of MAG's acquisition of STN their largest customer at STN makes an announcement about reduction of service.

Ryanair's overly dominant position as a customer of STN was often cited as a reason not to be interested in buying STN.

Ok we all know about the high profile posturing that Ryan's get involved in in order to exert pressure and reduce costs, but for this to happen before the ink is even dry on the MAG acquisition is a real concern for me.

I want to see MAG prosper but I'm not sure that the STN deal was a good deal, especially now that now that they are in bed with a financial aprtner who will no doubt be looking for a quick return ... at any cost.

chaps2011 2nd Mar 2013 16:38

I think FR have reacted to BAAs last move which was a strange one and up charges days before the takeover happened.
I am also from Stockport avturboy.


Chaps

FRatSTN 2nd Mar 2013 16:59

The Ryanair cuts are probably a fairly short term issue. Can't see MAG keeping the charges as high as they are for any length of time if they really want to grow passenger traffic.

They've built bridges with Ryanair at Manchester (not litterally otherwise FR will be straight back out again:rolleyes:), so I'm sure that they can entice Ryanair in some way or another, unless of course they want Ryanair to cut back to help get other airlines in???

wowzz 2nd Mar 2013 21:52

The issue is that Ryanair have no-where else to go. Yes, they can cut a few movements from STN, but the only economic hub that they have in SE England is STN, and there is nowhere else with sufficient capacity where they can move to.
Like it or not, Ryanair and STN are stuck with each other - but at least STN/MAG have the possibility of attracting more customers, whereas Ryanair can posture, but cannot easily move, say 50% of their flights to another airport.

crewmeal 3rd Mar 2013 06:26


Like it or not, Ryanair and STN are stuck with each other
You're probably right, but once the toys have been picked up, I wouldn't be surprised if FR start sniffing around Southend and are probably looking at increasing flights out of LTN to compensate.


MAG calculates that 50 million people live within two hours’ drive of the Essex airport.
Again with a UK population of 59.8 million (at the last census) then all carriers should be scrambling to operate from there :ugh:

LTNman 3rd Mar 2013 07:29


You're probably right, but once the toys have been picked up, I wouldn't be surprised if FR start sniffing around Southend and are probably looking at increasing flights out of LTN to compensate.

Don't think Southend will ever be an option until Ryanair start to replace their fleet due to runway limitations.

Expressflight 3rd Mar 2013 08:35

LTNman

You are absolutely right, there is no possibility of FR operating from SEN's runway. I for one am very pleased that this is the case.

yeo valley 3rd Mar 2013 09:17

runway
 
well it sure cuts down where he can go. thats if they want to put pressure on stn. as was said sen would be better off without them.

mikkie4 3rd Mar 2013 22:50

The last thing we want at SEN is MOL and his rotton airline!!!

LTNman 4th Mar 2013 05:50

There is some spare capacity at Luton to take based aircraft and no issues with non based aircraft outside the 2 hour morning peak but Luton has never gone beyond 4 Ryanair based aircraft as Luton and Ryanair have never been able to agree terms.

There is not even a hint that this is going to change so Ryanair will have to put up with Stansted.

Dannyboy39 4th Mar 2013 07:17

FAO mikkie4:

I'm sure Stobart and the other airport bosses share your views - NOT! You'd be crazy to turn an airline like Ryanair down; they bring millions of passengers through airport doors that you wouldn't have expected in the past. Look at the "outpost" airports in Europe. They rely on Ryanair. Its better to have one hub airline pulling the strings rather than no airline.

Expressflight 4th Mar 2013 08:47

Dannyboy39

You are quite wrong in that assumption as far as SEN is concerned.

You have to remember that SEN is capped at 2 mppa so isn't chasing volume in quite the same way as other airports.


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