Sorry, but some days ago, we (Aurigny Air Services Pilots) had a meeting with our president Malcom and our Chief Pilot Dave. There was no mention of any new routes. Nevertheless, we will be looking for charters as soon as possible.

So long !

cheerio.

Aurigny Captain

You seem to be a little upset with the company at the moment well I don,t blame you though.

For many years they have been in the dark ages and they still havn,t come out into the real world

For many years oppertunities were there but never taken up with a simialar thing accross the water when Jersey Airlines folded in 1969 the States did nothing.

State run airlines are always a drain on the tax payer, if the head person who is trying to run the company or an accountant there will not be a lot of forward thinking.

As a suggestion how about a staff buy out this has worked before?

Well it is only an idea, with the company run from that Northern rock for so many years it is difficult to get them out of that very big rut.

The ATR is an aircraft that can make money only if the company is run correctly look at some of the airlines in the U.K.

Some of the managements track records speaks out does it not?

Um, Dave is Flight Operations Director, actually, not chief pilot.
When Jersey Airlines went t#ts up the States of Guernsey (or Jersey) were not interested in running an airline (States of Guernsey still aren't, really)
Aurigny haven't been run from 'the northern rock' for quite some time, about 15years I think, so plenty of time to get out of the rut.
I doubt if Malcolm (with the greates of respect) would tell the staff if he was looking at new routes, you tend to keep that sort of thing to yourself (i.e. not forewarn the opposition) until you're ready to press the 'go button'.
Apart from that, some accurate speculation.:8
At least AAS is actually making money:)

Airline Connections
 

fudpucker
The thing about Jersey Airlines relates to the States of Jersey not moving on that when it came about.
The States of Guernsey owning Airigny is good in some ways, as said in the the comment before this is not always a good thing State run airlines.
Look at some previous air lines is there a connection with Aurigny the likes of Gill Air where are they know Air Eccosse is another on so Aurigny look out.
The thing about the northern rock well it has stuck or most of it in the move to the South West in Guernsey?

Bloody hell ! who is my chief pilot then ?? :eek:
He actually told us at the last meeting that there won't be new routes ! Only Charter !! (but when ? where ? who with ? we don't know :ugh: )



I do hope so !!!
But once again Malcolm told us that the fact of having lost the newspapers and the post contracts will make things financially more difficult than last year, so we absolutely need to do charters ASAP in order to make money.

Well, you do have a Fleet Manager:) Despite other 's comments about Malcolm, he does seem to have his head screwed on. Maybe he's learnt from previous mistakes:rolleyes:

Title
 

Is Malcolm the Fleet Manager or Manager of the fleet this does make a difference.

Like Trislander Fleet Manager
Shorts Fleet Manager now gone out the fleet
Saab 340 Fleet Manager now gone also
ATR Fleet Manager

Then you would have Manager of the Fleet which is Mr H. Nes Pas?

Titles within titles for a small company?

Titles
 

A useful guide is the free booklet inside Aircraft Illustrated (March issue) which gives details of UK airlines, including management.

Malcolm is this context I assume is Malcolm Hart - Managing Director

The listing shows a Flight Operations Manager but think this should be Flight Operations Director.

As regards "titles within titles" for a small Company, it is common practise, where there are multi types (Aurigny has had, at the same time, Bn2a, SD3-60, SF340 & ATR72) for there to be a Chief (FOD or Chief Pilot or whatever) and then Managers on each fleet responsible for the technical matters etc, as the Chief cannot fly all the types.

If you were in aviation you would understand this.

GBAL:
MH is MD. There are several other directors none of whon appear in the list below:
DR is Flt Ops Dir
there is a deputy Flt Ops Dir
there are 2 X Fleet managers
1 X ATR technical capt:
Then there are several training capts and a Flight safety officer
Ask at the AAS desk in JER if you are unsure as to what the initials stand for.:) Incidentally, the CAA frown on 'boxes' in the company organisational tree being occupied by the same names, and have done for a number of years now. AAS is not the small company that you might imagine it to be and I have to say that there are no 'sinecures'. Everybody has their job to do.

Yak97
If you were pointing in my direction, been in the Aviation world for over thirty years.
No only on the ground but in the air as well.

Gbalu53
 

I assumed that as the Channel Island "expert" you would know that Malcolm Hart was MD of one of your local companies, not Fleet Manager (Or Manager of the Fleet as you quaintly put it).

The MD is the accountable manager, and thus has overall responsibility for the operation, including its commercial success. He then has a management structure under him to account for the various other responsibilities, such as engineering, crew training, flight ops etc.

Your comment "Titles within titles for a small company" was by implication derogatory against Aurigny, as another has pointed out, the CAA place restrictions on post holders holding multiple positions (except in the absolute smallest companies - which AUR isn't). You seem to take delight in running AUR down - another comment "For many years they have been in the dark ages and they still havn,t come out into the real world" is a slur on the hard working people in AUR.

Sorry if I've ruffled your feathers but if you have been in aviation that long I would expect you to understand how Companies work.

I don't know but he should have learnt that our passengers need to go to the toilets during the flight !
and what he should also think about is that :

http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...rnainment.html

cheerio!

Well Yak97
I take on board what you have said, here are a number of things I can comment on
One of them is, I know what you are saying. a famous fraze from a well know ex airport director
Worked for them for a number of years.
Know a lot of people who work for them.
Still have close connections with them now.
Even have the tee shirt to prove it but no certificate to go with it.
The company back in the late 80s and well into the 90s was run by accountants does that not tell a story or two it normally does?.
Then a certain a person came a long after the demise of certain companies on the mainland which paints another picture?
Then the States had to put a lot of pennies in does, that ring a bell or two.
Another up and comming local company has easied Auigny in to dificult corners inter island but they seem to be going forward by spending money.
Aurigny laid dorment for years in certain areas when the oppurtunnities were there but did not take up some of them.

And by the way who do you call an expert?

QUOTE: "The company back in the late 80s and well into the 90s was run by accountants does that not tell a story or two it normally does?." UNQUOTE

Find me a Airline (or most other Companies for that) which isn't run by Accountants now a days?

Yes AUR did suffer in the past when they were part of a larger financial group, whose focus was not really on running or expanding the airline, just liked its cash flow.

MH may have history but some was related to outside events (9/11) that had major impact on the airline industry worldwide (Sabena, Swissair etc).

From the States point of view it was a no-brainer when BA announced they were to pull out - all eggs in the Flybe basket??

Inter-island. Hmmm. I believed that the passenger numbers have been falling in recent years as competition from the fast ferries has increased, and charges at the airports have climbed, which form a large part of the cost of the ticket. Perhaps AUR are happy for BCI to take on the task? Once the SD3-60 had finished the economics of ATR72 on these short sectors is probably dreadful, and they are too large?

AX. Well they don't seem to be making much effort with 3 Jetstreams - 1 IOM a day Mon-Fri, 1 JER-BOH (3 or 4 times a week) and a CWL on a Saturday. Do they have something in the pipeline? Oh do tell............

The performance or non performance of toilets is not a debate suitable for PPRuNe.

Cheers,
The AA&R mods

Does anyone have any info on the various flights to Germany this summer?
Destinations, Airlines & Aircraft Types?

The German destinations for the summer are Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hannover and Munich operated by Lufthansa Regional partners Eurowings, Contact Air and Augsburg Airways. Aircraft used include the Q400, 143 and AT7.

I’m pretty sure that Stuttgart has now been dropped even though it appeared when the flights were first released.

Stuttgart has indeed been dropped.

DUS/HAJ are operated as a W-Pattern with a DUS-based aircraft:

DUS 1000 - 1025 GCI 1100 - 1130 JER 1200 - 1445 HAJ 1520 - 1610 GCI 1640 - 1710 JER 1745 - 2005 DUS.

I guess this is the ATR72 by Contactair.

FRA apparently is operated in a W-pattern with the incoming flight not operated on behalf of Wolters:

GCI 0845 - 0915 JER 0950 - 1300 FRA 1335 - 1445 GCI 1515 - 1545 JER

The published timings for MUC make little sense. The MUC arrival currently is at 0930/1055, while departures are at 1730/1850. Unless the aircraft is doing another charter for someone else in the meantime, it would sit idle for six hours on the islands and would have to reposition to GCI in the afternoon.

German Flights
 

virginblue
This is the information that the handling in Jersey has passed on only a week ago and the Sttutgart is on as this is operated as a W pattern like the others
except the Munich.
ATR72 LH5020 Sttutgart-Guernsey-Jersey STA 1000 - STD 1040 LH5023 Jersey-Frankfurt
DH8 400 LH5026 Munich-Guernsey-Jersey STA 1125 - STD 1205 LH5027 Jersey-Munich
BAE146 200 EW1670 Dusseldorf-Guernsey-Jersey STA 1250 - STD 1320 EW1673 Jersey-Hannover
ATR72 LH5022 Frankfurt-Guernsey-Jersey STA 1755 - STD 1835 LH5021 Jersey-Sttutgart
BAE146 200 EW1672 Hannover-Guernsey-Jersey STA 1830 - STD 1900 EW1671 Jersey-Dusseldorf.
As one can see Eurowings are donw to do the same as in 2006 and the ATR72of Contact Air the Munich is by Augsburg.
With some conflict we might just have to wait and see what turns up?:ok: :ok:

Hmm, my information is from Wolters Reisen, the tour operator chartering the planes. The times were published in February by them.

As far STR is concerned, Wolters definitely do not offer these flights in 2007. If indeed STR is operated, it must be for another company.

We shall see, me thinks.