Little blu my point regarding the 767 is that the reputation of longhaul on bmi from man is now worse than any charter airline!!! yes they may have put the bmi carpet and curtains in but most importantly, have you seen the seats in economy on that particular a/c???? well I have, the seatbacks only come up to your shoulders so you cant rest your head at all. There is NO seatback t.v.'s as advertised (evan though all passengers should have been told this!! they havent till they get onboard) Most of the overhead monitors don't work!! The business seats are similar to the old BA cradle seats (but a bit thinner) one business class pax had to be downgraded last week because she couldn't fit in the seat!!!
the cancellations have cost bmi tens of thousands of £££££ with hotels, re-booking pax on other airlines and I hear that crews have been paxed from las to ord then man and vise versa!! The monies running out of the pot!!!:hmm:

I thought Manchester only has the B767 for 12 weeks to cover maintenance and then it is off the Heathrow?
Not only are BMI having problems with leased aircraft as I have read a couple of horror stories re the Iberworld on lease to Etihad, and would be the case quite often when an aircraft is leased in by an airlines as the cabin fit not being to standard of normal fleet aircraft

G-I-B

A lot of cabin crew for bmi arn't happy about this B767 either!! they were promiced 9 crew (like the A 330) but have been told now that they will only have 8 crew to give the same service!! There not happy!!!!!

Heads up folks.

Some of you are using terms that can be mis-construed and could lead to misunderstandings. Please be very sure that you do NOT step over the fine line of putting your foot in it. But more especially of putting PPRuNe's foot in it.

If you are not stating facts - don't make them up.

PPP

Isn't the capacity less on the 767 than on the A330?

Same service, reduced capacity = less crew required to perform the service.

Seems straight forward to me.

As has been previously mentioned, this is only a temporary measure until the 330's are back from Manilla. The 767 will then go down to LHR to operate the Saudi routes, where it is going to have 48 ish business seats + economy service, as that is where the revenue is coming from, apparently.

FF

I know this has been mentioned a thousand times but bmi desperately need that fourth A332 which Emirates is, "looking after" for them.

Thought it was just an Emirates machine they were getting ( A6-EAS ). Perhaps growth at Dubai has preompted a rethink.

No, A6-EAS was originally ordered by bmi, but they had no need for it so it went to Emirates, bmi should have reclaimed it in summer 2005 but for some reason it's return has been delayed.

Did you not notice the bit where it says (where it is economical to do so) ?.
Anyway round trip fuelling seems to work for the lo-co's on some routes - saves a potential delay and a charge for the fuel truck.
Wouldn't work on a long route like LHR-PMI for example, but on a short LHR-BRU/CDG hop then it could, although with the current LHR fuel situation, some carriers are round trip fuelling inbound to LHR.
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I see that the Antigua was delayed almost 6hrs today!!! anyone know why???? This wet lease 767 isnt doing too well at the moment!!:(

Sadly many wet lease a/c have history of being clapped out and often arrive with a history of problems and carried over defects. Leasor beware?

I'm starting to take odds on when bmi will fold any guesses? Anyone fancy naming where many of the famous employees will end up ?

And which famous employees are they, Moo?
Maybe you'd like me to take bets on when you're going to be out of a job, too.
What a totally stupid and pointless post that was.
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I jumped ship a little while ago but seem to be now working with loads of ex bmi pilots and crew and by famous i mean well know to bmi people you sarcastic person

Sarcastic? Where?
I read your post and wondered what on earth you hoped to gain by wishing to see your ex-colleagues out of a job.
Ok, you may not have liked some of them, but if you had been there for 10 years, you will have left friends behind.
As far as I'm concerned, although the company is having an identity crisis at the moment, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I've been here for 18 years, have been thru many "Crisisis"(is that a word? Well it is now.) and expect to ride out this one. If not, then I'll have to come and join the throng at BA.
Were you LHR based? If so, then I will have sent u on your way to CP3 on a number of occasions.
Sarcastic? I can hardly spell the word

This is my first post so please don't flame me for my comments.

I too am disgusted with the way bmi is going. When will they find direction. I remember when the A330's first arrived and there was talk of 10 A330's coming to Manchester.

Now I know times are hard for all airlines but isn't it about time bmi really decided what airline they want to be?

I have travelled on many bmi services over the past couple of years in my job and can honestly say as a passenger I can see no difference i the service I get from Manchester to Belfast as i get from Manchester to LHR. But hang on! One is a loco and the other is a supposedly full service carrier! What is going on?

When I first became old enough to fly on my own a few years ago I flew several airlines and bmi (British Midland as it was then) was always my favorite. I'm not a pesimistic person, I really am an optomist (excuse the spelling!) I just don't think bmi will be around within 2 years. It will be a shame but that is the way things are going now. I think the only way to go is for Sir RB to come in and take them over. At least then there is a chance that the name will stay around.

I have the utmost afection for my xemployees and I wish them all them best. I just think that BMI is on the way out ( I hope not ) I jumped ship because it was all there and backs , no more 4 day zrh cgn zrh fra ory standover cph etc etc. When i left all the n/s that were left were 5 sec dub 5 sec abz and that was just the rubbisih route the company was going down

Well the 5 sector DUB and ABZ are still there and will be for a lot longer.
Its all about L/Haul. Thats where It appears to be going.
If thats the case, then great ! The LH crew all seem reasonably happy with their lot, but I do hear your points about losing the n/stops, but anyone would think that was the only reason you came to work (...then again, it's that way with most of the other crew, so I don't blame you)
I feel philosophical about it.
If the worst happens and it does end up in the hands of another company, then what I can do about it? Life goes on.
I enjoy my job very much, and "most " of the people I work with, as u did.
I just hope the company finds its way again, and soon.
Good luck at BA.

sportzbar is right, its time for Sir MB to hand the conpany over to Sir RB. This will give bmi an identity, so passengers know who they are and what they offer. The 2 airlines would complement each other. Virgin want the LHR Slots and would use the flights to feed its longhaul network. And bmi need those passengers if they want to stay operating as an airline.

that merger (bmi and Virgin) should have happened a long time ago - it would have been beneficial for both parties, however is it really a good thing NOW? Virgin probably don't want an airline where the culture is very different to their own, especially where staff morale has hit rock bottom. Virgin seem to like offshoots that are brand new. They learned that from the messy creation of Virgin Express