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southender 21st Feb 2006 12:44

ALDERNEY
 
An article in yesterday's Echo (Local paper for Southend area) suggests that a South Essex businessman has bid £10m to operate Alderney Airport.

Terry Holding who owns one of the largest car salvage companies in the country has offered to inject the money over a five year period with the intention of building a new terminal and up grading facilities in return for a long lease on the airport.

With current losses of approx. £0.5m per year the scheme is apparently being backed by the Guernsey authorities who are looking to enter into a joint venture with Mr. Holding.

Mr. Holding, who operates a Piper Cub and Cessna from his own airstrip, is well known in local aviation circles for his banner towing activities over south Essex with politically motivated messages.

If this happens, could it be the start of big developments on Alderney?

Cheers

Southender

GBALU53 21st Feb 2006 16:16

GOOD NEWS
 
With blueisland having a good connection with Alderney with (Rockhopper) and the company will have four Jetstreams operating by the summer season, will Alderney have a runway a Jetstream will be able to operate into and out of????

If this was to be the case it would be very good news for this northern Channel Island they need tourism just like the other Islands.:ok: :ok:

Gulf Julliet Papa 21st Feb 2006 16:54

Alderney is not big enough for the J32s. Also i dont believe there is the market to run a more expensive and complex aircraft out of alderney (ie. turboprop vs piston)

GBALU53 21st Feb 2006 17:28

Golg Juliet Papa
 
I know Alderney is not long enough at the moment the Jetstream will only require a short extension.

If you have not operated into and out of Alderney you need to look up the information in the UK Aip on runway clearences as there are no real problems for a small extension.

The second part is that Blueislands own a hotel or two on Alderney and the possible extension to the runway would give the company a bigger field for there Hotel clientel.

We would hope all parties will work together to make this big investment into Alderney successful.:ok: :ok:

Alderney is a great place for short brakes walking golfing bird watching so there is great potensional for this big investment.

five zero by ortac 21st Feb 2006 17:39

Alderney
 
News of a possible airfield operator for the airport is great news for Alderney. This place is like portacabin-city and needs new facilities urgently, something that the States of Guernsey don't want to provide.
Runway not long enough for J32 ops. However, recently heard talk of extending to 1200m and attempts are being made to acquire land at the east end of 26/08. Could all be linked with new operator?
Rockhopper (blueislands) are about to announce a much reduced schedule.:* Flights from Alderney to BOH, JER and Shoreham are all being cutback. Can't see why as their new hotel opens here this summer. :hmm:
Once again, a carrier is born in Alderney, then runs away to the other islands thinking they can make more money! :mad:

Gulf Julliet Papa 21st Feb 2006 20:54

im sure rockhopper / bis will increase frequencys again during summer. however over winter there is simply no demand. An airline must cut back schedules when there is no demand, why fly a schedule which makes no money? I think the carrier will continue flying to alderney....possibly at a much greater schedule than before this summer. as well as flying the new (more profitable routes) out of jersey

GBALU53 21st Feb 2006 21:16

Quote
 
Five Zero By Ortac.

You must be at the heart of all the goings on on the northern rock.

We all look back at the good old days but it is good to see an outsider willing to give Alderney a revival of the good old times ( We can live in hope)???.

If the runway extension is part of the multi million pound injection the Jetstream operation of Blue Islands would like a very good thing and who knows the one and only Shed (G-BPFN) could even participate on the Sou run.

With more parking for commercial aircraft in the plan it does imply more operations.:ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

Guern 21st Feb 2006 21:36

I would imagine that Healthspan's customers would much prefer to be able to fly to Alderney without going on a Trislander or Islander.

GBALU53 22nd Feb 2006 09:49

Blieislands Web
 
Shamrock7Seal

May i suggest you look at the Rockhopper thred and this might reveal all if you did not know this was there preveous life in aviation:ok:

five zero by ortac 27th Feb 2006 19:37

Air Park in Alderney
 
Just been to a public meeting in Alderney where Mr Holdings' outline plans for the airport were unvailed. Very briefly, new terminal:ok: , fire station::bored: , atc;) , extended runway to 1200m:D , increased apron:) , payable car parking:{ , new hangar:ok: , and (much to the disgust of the general public - who presumably don't fly anywhere!!!:* ) an air-park consisting of 5-8 units with runway access to fund the exercise:rolleyes: . :ok: :ok: :ok: Good luck Mr Holding. Interesting times ahead.

niknak 27th Feb 2006 21:37

I know little about Alderney, but I do know a fair bit about developing airports and what it costs to do so.
£10m will not cover half of what has been quoted by five by zero.
Once the airport is sold, the present owners get no income from it & I doubt that the States would let it be sold for nothing.

So before he can redevelop the airport, Mr Holding has to buy it, after which he has to fork out for:

New runway (it will probably have to be entirely rebuilt rather than extending) with basic lighting: £3m
New terminal and re equipped ATC facility & new Fire station £4m
New apron: £ 1- 2m
New hanger £ 1- 2m.
Costs of air park construction £1m.

Even in the best case scenario, the bill goes beyond £10m on facilities which I understand need upgrading now - not over the next five years - otherwise the airport will not attract new operators to get the financial return.


I am all for private enterprise and business success, but the people of Alderny should be asking some serious questions of Mr Holding's ability to sustain the investment and exactly where the money is coming from.
I assume that much of it will be borrowed, how will the debt be serviced until the new revenue starts flowing in?

Like many islands, the airport is a vital part of Alderny's infrastructure and they can't afford to lose the facility if the promises didn't materlialise.

GBALU53 1st Mar 2006 14:03

Where Now
 
With the sad loss of a multi million pound investment in Alderney Airport what happen now.

The two Airlines that operate into Alderney must be very disapointed with the withdrawel of fundings.:sad: :sad:

southender 3rd Mar 2006 12:33

Island airport bid abandoned
 
Terry Holding has withdrawn his offer of £10m to upgrade Alderney Airport.

According to the report in yesterday's Echo, the Islander's "hostile" reaction to his plans forced him to reconsider the proposal.

Apparently more than 200 residents attended a public meeting in Alderney where the mood was described as sceptical, hostile and lacking any enthusiasm or support for the development plans.

Mr Holding's company HBC continues to believe their proposals represent an opportunity to develop and secure the future of the Airport, but they are not prepared to impose themselves on the unwilling Islanders.

The Channel Islands' Public Sector Department is said to be disappointed that the proposal has been withdrawn as it was worthy of further consideration and represented an opportunity to safeguard the future of Alderney Airport.

The Public Services Department of the States of Alderney will be meeting shortly to consider the furure of the airport.

Cheers

Southender

niknak 3rd Mar 2006 13:06

What a suprise.

The island needs the airport, the airport needs the island.

Until the Channel Islands decide to ditch Alderney, the States will have an obligation to ensure that they maintain public services across the board.
If they are really feeling the pinch in Jersey because of Alderney Airport it's a very sad day which will be easily rectified by extracting another penney or so from the poor little dears who live there for tax reasons alone.:{

Guern 3rd Mar 2006 20:00

NikNak

Oh that it was the Jersey tax payer paying for Alderney airport!! I think you find it is us lot in Guernsey paying for it! Jersey has no financial connection with Alderney they are not connected.

Contrary to popular belief we don't have that many millionaires, most of us locals are just trying to make an honest living. Very few live in Guernsey for tax reasons, the UK killed most of that off years ago and th erest of us were born here.

GBALU53 3rd Mar 2006 21:57

Visit Alderney
 
Well said Guern

I do think before people make a comment they should try the product.

So Niknak you need to book your next brake not holiday and try out Alderney.

Not to many budget airlines go there for starters.

Not to many schedule passsenger ferries.

Not to many residents either so you could find out quickley about life on Alderney.

Have a nice weekend end or two. :ok: :ok:

niknak 4th Mar 2006 20:30

Been to Alderney, and I'd quite happily go back there, but it was only for a week and that's no time at all to find out about what really goes on.
I guess I fell into the trap that many of us make in assuming that the Channel Islands are one when it comes to infrastructure, an easy mistake to make but I stand, very severely, corrected!:eek:

Guern 4th Mar 2006 21:02

NikNak

Didn't mean to be severe just correct the misconception.

Update from todays Guernsey Press below. How can they reduce the loss without putting people from going there it would seem a difficult task to me.

"ALDERNEY Airport will not be developed unless another private investor comes in.
Unperturbed by the recent pull-out of millionaire ‘saviour’ Terry Holding, Public Services has announced it will seek other invitations for a public-private partnership.
The Alderney Working Party, which includes States members from both islands, met yesterday morning in Guernsey.
‘We still believe the only way in the imminent future that capital could be provided for development at Alderney Airport is through private hands – it’s very unlikely that the States of Guernsey is going to be in a position to allocate capital,’ said Public Services minister Bill Bell.
‘While Terry Holding suggested an across-the-board investment, it might well be that we have individuals and companies coming forward to develop hangars and the like separately. But we’re open to any suggestions. We’re really saying the door is open and if people have got any ideas, come and talk to us.’
In a statement issued jointly by Deputy Bell and Alderney States member John Postlethwaite, the party expressed disappointment that Mr Holding’s company, HBC, pulled the plug on a proposed £10m. investment due to public opposition.
‘The meeting noted that the master plan for Alderney Airport was about to be completed and that this would set into place an indication of how any development could be progressed,’ it added.
‘It is inevitable now that any such development will have to rely on private investment, given the severe constraints on public funding.’
The plan has been drafted and a completed report is expected in a few weeks. It will be made public and identify the best strategic use of land within the airport boundary and possible sites for future development opportunities.
‘Once the plan is finalised, invitations for private development will be sought. This method of public-private co-operation has worked successfully at Guernsey Airport over recent years, especially in respect of hangar development, and such opportunities could also exist for Alderney Airport.’
Individuals or companies with ideas are being invited to contact the Guernsey Airport director.
‘The Public Services Department remains concerned over the heavy subsidy required at Alderney Airport and will continue, in conjunction with its Alderney colleagues, to strive to find ways to reduce that subsidy. Work on additional income opportunities and controlling costs will continue as a matter of urgency.’
Alderney Airport runs at a loss of £500,000 a year and Mr Holding’s offer would have led to a new airport terminal, hangarage and a longer runway.


Published 4/3/2006"

Aero Mad 22nd Jun 2010 18:09

Alderney
 
Hi all, any hope for more flights to/from Alderney to mainland destinations. Doubt it for the moment... you? Talk is that the States might subsidise more UK routes. But with an 880 metre runway, the 'biggies' can't do anything and so its up to Blue Islands, Aurigny, Manx2 and Loganair (erm... no.) to do something.

Jerbourg 22nd Jun 2010 21:18

Wouldn't it be great to see Flybe operating routes out of here with franchise partner Loganairs Twin Otters. I wonder...?


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