Jerbourg

I don't know where your "good authority is" but it can't be around a 1000 departure because Aurigny only has three ATRs and according to the schedules on their website one goes to Gatwick at 1020, one goes to Bristol at 1100, and the new Gatwick service arrives in Guernsey at 1130. So my guess would be around 1200-1210.


Hopefully we'll find out soon, unless of course everything has changed again. I do find myself wondering if this is all happening, why are we talking about it and Aurigny not?

According to Jethro's site, Aurigny are supposed to get 2 new ATR72s shortly - one this month and one in March. Unless they are withdrawing 2 older examples then there's your answer.

Trislander Replacements?
 

Aurigny have been looking at replacing the ageing Trislanders with Do.228's. Looks like they are at last trying to counter act the continuing loss of pax on inter island routes to Blue Islands by re-equiping with someting a bit more modern than a BNT.

The new Do228NG's are assembled in Germany by RUAG using parts procured from their Indian licencee:ok: They should consider the PZL Skytruck.;)

I understand from someone who looked into this type in some detail a few years back that Do228s could only guarantee the performance to get out of Alderney with a maximum of 15 pax. Seems a pity to restrict a 19-seat turboprop to 15 seats, but I suppose it depends upon your priorities.

Would Manx2 be a good tie-up, given their experience of the type and their owner's experience of the island (notwithstanding the need to bury a very large hatchet from previous encounters first)?

There is also the 16seat Dornier 228-100.

Atr72-500
 

Are the 2 new aircraft still expected in March/April?

Grenoble
 

I understand GR operate skiing charters from GCI/JER to Grenoble this winter. Do they operate every week and which is the company chartering the flights?

Eyeinthesky - I did hear in the Aero Club bar the other night that Manx2 persons have been spotted at GR HQ in recent weeks, maybe only a rumour tho'.

According to the GEP today two new ATR's G-VZON & G-COBO arrive early next month.

Direct Jersey Stansted services now available on the web site. Looks like prices start at £30 including 20kgs hold baggage alllowance.

Will this service work second time around??
 

All very well having a Jersey to Stansted, at the times they are going to operate will it work??
With the end of the Jersey-Heathrow service next month where will those passengers who would have flown from Heathrow go to?
Gatwick at the moment gives a varity of flights to Jersey, you can also do for a day trip both ways.
London City Monday to Friday gives a daytrip to Jersey for six hours only.
So what market are Aurigny looking at?, by the time Jersey passengers get to Stansted there must be very little Easyjet or Ryanair flights to chose to go on with there might be some Air Berlin to Germany.

FR & EZY fly numerous routes all day long out of Stansted, flights don't stop after lunch, Aurigny should not have a problem making a success of the route.

Jerbourg
 

How can this route work?:suspect:

The flight departs Jersey mid afternoon 1530 arrival Stansted say 1630 so what flights are still to depart Stansted after that?

If your next flight needs a check in of an hour that makes your onward connection 1745 at least if the flight in from Jersey is on time, who would risk a connection like that?

So we have a night stop in the Radisson Hotel Stansted at a reduced rate??? I understand there is a Radission Hotel on Jersey, so has Aurigny done any deals????.:ok:

The following morning you can take your pick on the early morning departures around Europe??:ok:

Does this mean the GCI-STN times will change for the summer? What happens to aircraft after it gets to STN?

Why are you all so focused on connecting traffic? I do not think that the route is based on the assumption that most pax will self-connect at STN. Certainly there is a reasonable market for local traffic from the North London/Cambridge area, particularly with the LHR service gone.

The Aurigny website will currently let you book a direct flight from STN-GCI after 30th April but not the return trip. It just states "We could not find any flights or seats available on the date selected."
Seems odd that you can't book a return journey even if it may be routed via JER?

Flights schedules from Guernsey and Jersey to Stansted are as followed;

GCI – STN 12:10 – 13:20
STN – JER 13:50 – 15:05
JER – STN 15:35 – 16:50
STN – GCI 17:20 – 18:30

Given that there will be no Heathrow flights and a reduced frequency to Luton I imagine that there is a sufficient market for flights to the Island from Stansted for locals and tourists. Obviously recent attempts to relaunch the route have not been successful for various reasons, but I think enough demand exists and I hope Aurigny are more successful this time.

Thanks J-Guy. In fact I've just tried again on their website & it now shows the GCI-STN flight as well. I assume it was just a glitch on their site earlier this morning.

Regarding demand, if the price is right (especially this summer) then it will be a success! They have lots of experience vs. FlyBe on this matter & in my experience they're a lot less hassle as you don't have to pay extras etc.

GBALU53

Have you actually looked at the STN departure board?

Departures tonight from 1800 onwards:

18:00 FR306 SALZBURG
18:00 FR968 GOTHENBURG CITY
18:05 FR2468 LODZ
18:05 FR8363 SEVILLE
18:10 EZY3467 COPENHAGEN
18:10 FR107 SHANNON
18:15 FR3014 ROME CIAMPINO
18:20 FR701 KERRY
18:25 EZY3417 MUNICH
18:30 FR227 DUBLIN
18:30 FR8347 PORTO
18:30 OR973 KINGSTON
18:40 FR2003 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN
18:40 FR9774 KARLSRUHE BADEN
18:45 EZY263 BELFAST
18:45 FR4198 MILAN BERGAMO
18:45 FR8546 BERLIN SCHONEFE
18:55 FR2316 BRATISLAVA
19:00 FR5998 MADRID
19:05 FR038 OSLO TORP
19:05 FR798 VENICE TREVISO
19:20 EZY519 NEWCASTLE
19:20 FR464 TURIN
19:25 EZY3009 AMSTERDAM
19:30 AEU156 KEFLAVIK
19:35 FR052 STOCKHOLM SKAVS
19:35 FR613 DERRY
19:45 EZY217 GLASGOW
19:45 FR6542 MARSEILLE
19:45 FR907 CORK
20:00 A3605 ATHENS
20:00 DY1305 OSLO
20:05 4U357 COLOGNE
20:05 FR293 DUBLIN
20:10 FR3634 BREMEN
20:10 FR419 GLASGOW PIK
20:10 FR6129 BELFAST CITY
20:15 AB8343 DUSSELDORF
20:15 AB8821 MUNSTER
20:20 4U2379 STUTTGART
20:30 FR586 PISA
20:40 AB8423 HANOVER
20:40 FR3258 DUSSELDORF WEEZ
20:40 FR758 FRANKFURT HAHN
20:45 AB8595 NUREMBERG
20:55 EZY245 EDINBURGH
21:10 EZY219 GLASGOW
21:45 FR109 SHANNON
21:45 FR297 DUBLIN
22:00 YK956 ANTALYA

Quite a few choices then!

But I don't think Aurigny's main focus will be on transfer traffic, sure some of it will be, but there is a big leisure market to and from the Stansted catchment area. Surely if the Guernsey Stansted route can operated almost daily year round off peak timed services, then the Jersey Stansted market can as well.

I wish them well in these difficult times for airlines.

Aurigny took delivery of the first of their new ATR 72-500 today....if my schoolboy French is still serviceable:

Aurigny Air Services prend livraison de son premier ATR 72-500 (sur Edubourse.com)

try this link for dimwits like me who can only speak english
Aurigny Air Services Takes Delivery of its First ATR 72-500 - ATR

Connections and Gale force fog
 

Feet on the Ground

Yes there are a number of destinations to chose from if the flight from Jersey is on time, how many of these flights would make the check in time required?
WHAT IS THE CHECK IN TIME 1 OR 2 HOURS? IF IT IS 2 HOURS YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN MAKE THE CHECK IN TIME FOR THE 1800 DEPARTURES?
Would many people risk tight connections knowing if the flight from Jersey was a little late?
If you have to night stop both ways two nights in the Raddisson will knock you price up so why not go via Gaiwick where there is a choice of at least ten flights a day from Jersey.
Are you aware of the types of weather down in the Channel islands? must be one of not many places where you get gale force fog.

G-COBO left Eastleigh 11.45 this morning

...and after a few flybys of Alderney and Guernsey arrived at about 1220.
BBC - Guernsey - Places - New Aurigny Plane

I asked the cabin crew on GR600 this morning (who knew it was arriving today) when it would enter service - they did not know - anyone?

I heard middle of next week.

I heard it would be Wednesday 11th march

Its today, the 9th, actually

Due in Manchester this eveninghttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Ian

BBC Website today
 

An aircraft en route from Jersey to Guernsey had to turn back when a luggage hatch blew off in mid air.
The Aurigny airlines flight took off from Jersey Airport on Tuesday at about 0800 GMT.
A short while into the journey a hatch in the nose of the Trislander aircraft dropped off, missing the plane's three propellers and falling into the sea.
Aurigny said no-one on the aircraft was hurt and no luggage was lost. The incident is now being investigated.
The passengers were transferred to another plane and continued their trip with "the minimum of disruption," a spokesman added.



Ooops!

Trislander and a nose locker
 

macuser

Just after rotation the pilot reported he needed to return, then 30 seconds or so later the pilot requested to do a tear drop back onto the runway as the front locker became detached from the aircraft. The aircraft was only airbourne for two minutes and landed without further problem.
The loaders on duty could well have been down the lobour exchange by the time the aircraft was back on the ground.

Balloo53

Good detail, many thanks. Lucky the hatch didn't collect any of the props or leading edges. I can well imagine the pilot strutting purposefully towards the loaders' hut upon return!

2nd New ATR
 

With Aurigny taking delivery of the second new ATR 72 G-VZON today when she arrived from Hurn late this afternoon, will the Guernsey Tax payers expect to see some good returns on there payments?.
With the company now having five ATRs or have the ones they are trying to sell already moved on?? What next for the Taxpayer of Guernsey are there more plans in the pipe line to expand to make these aircraft viable??
More night time mail contracts? as I understand that the main man at Aurigny who will remain nameless to some of us was all for mail contracts up in Geordie land at Gill Air???
Just as well summer is around the bend as the BBC news did say something about a problem with a Trislander they other day loseing its nose locker not good for Joe and his public??

They are not trying to sell any ATR's. The 2 500's are replacing 2 of the 200's which are at the end of their lease. However I would expect the night mails to continue on the remaining 200

I think those -500s are fret/pax version aren't they?

New ATR 72s
 

Bad day yesterday Thursday for the two new ATRs of Aurigny both u/s during the day.
One aircraft with a vibration problems and the other one in Manchester with starting problem.
A Titan BAE146 brought in to operate the new East Midlands service.
Should they have looked at other aircraft since they have arrived the new 72s have had a number of unserviclable issues, not a good advert and this is before the summer kicks in.
Guernsey open very late last night to try and get one of the new aircraft to start the morning schedules along side Delta Bravo the old ATR which they still have as three aircraft are required to operate the schedules every day??

Late opening appeared to be for a medivac kingair from my observations out of the window.

Tech problems happen to all airlines, well done Aurigny on covering the problems rather than just cancelling in my opionin.

No I do not work for them!

ATR Night Stop EGCC
 

hapzim
Yes you are correct there was a King Air doing a medvac flight, the ATR was due to come in if they got the aircraft servicable at about 2215 but the flight was cancelled after 2130 which is past normal close of 2100 local time so an extension pending the outcome, as of lunch time said aircraft still in Manchester.
The owners of the BAE146 operating today as well as yesterday must be thanks the States for sub chartering in to cover the Gatwick morning flight and possible more??

BALU what a load of waffle from you. All airlines have tech problems & Titan make their money out of covering such problems. They not only have the States Of Guernsey to thank for their profits but every other airline that has chartered their aircraft over the years. Well done GR for getting the 146 in the first place, both other airlines serving GCI are quick to cancel flights in times of "bad" tech problems as I am sure you are well aware.