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MOR 26th Apr 2005 01:17

CaptAirProx

Thanks for that.


Is this not part of being a manager in our own right?
Of course it is, and I would never, ever advocate shouting at Crewing - it is usually counterproductive. Besides, if the change is legal, all you will get is "are you refusing this duty?", followed by a call from your Fleet Manager, which will leave you in no doubt whatsoever regarding your "obligations", and your future career progression should you refuse to comply.

BIGGLES02


I left after the fleet gen mgr jets threatened to demote me to first officer unless I returned to work from sick leave. The same gentleman even accused my Doctor of lying.
Now that sounds awfully familiar! Yes, that particular gentleman was the most inept excuse for a manager that I have ever seen. Totally confrontational, no tact or discretion, always willing to believe the worst about his crews. Rarely, if ever, supported any of his troops. Presided over some of the most ridiculous f*ck-ups I have ever seen (for example the Innsbruck fiasco). BALPA could tell you a number of horror stories about him. Not surprised he jumped (or was pushed).


think how unbeatable you would be by supporting your frontline troops. Listen to them, they know what is giong on. Give them the tools, they WILL deliver....I would have.
Me too.

Snigs 3rd May 2005 10:39

I realise that at the moment it is just words on a piece of paper, but it seems that Jim French has finally heard the story of woe down at troop level, and seems to have been surprised! (Maybe he should read these threads a little more). However, he has approved an increase in personel in crewing..... will it be enough?

er82 3rd May 2005 11:50

Will it bollox! They've introduced lots of managerial posts to help solve the problem. Big waste of the 'large amounts of money' they've put into it as far as I'm concerned. What they should really do is get rid of the one big problem, and get someone else in to clear up the devastation he's caused..........

MOR 3rd May 2005 13:09

Sorry to burst your bubble there Snigs, but JF has been told several times, at Open Channel meetings, how the troops feel. It isn't news to him. However, he has been in the invidious position of wanting to fix the problem, but being unable to justify doing so whilst there were a thousand other fires that needed putting out.

Also, they do keep a pretty close eye on what is said on these forums. Surprised I haven't been fired... ;)

It is often said that JF hates pilots. I don't think that is so, his focus has to be on making the company healthy, and then he can focus on other issues - but then those issues should be being looked after at fleet manager and Ops Director level for the most part. I know the Ops Director tries, but he is hamstrung by having to work to a budget. I personally think he gets a bad press, but I am sure few will share that view...

er82

I'm intrigued, who do you mean?

flybe.com 3rd May 2005 13:29

MOR -

...remember the months leading up to the departure of the terminally useless Jet FM. There were a few people being hauled to EXT for disciplinaries because they had become so frustrated with the situation, they simply refused to take any more.
Yep, count me in on that one.

Additionally, I agree with everything you have said. Is it not obvious whom er82 is talking about.

MOR 3rd May 2005 14:47

Not to me, but then I'm pretty thick!!! :p

I'm assuming MW, but there are so many... where does one start... :}

carlos vandango 3rd May 2005 19:06

ah yes the infamous ex Jet Fleet Manager.. tried the bully boy tactics on me before I left too. I felt it necessary to point out to him that the time for such tactics was BEFORE I had resigned, not after. A true unprofessional..but at least he was consisitent (at being unprofessional). Biggles speaks the truth..lets see if anyone's listening:hmm:

ATIS 4th May 2005 12:11

So how is the new jet fleet manager performing?

What perfect timing to start as the fleet manager

Have the recent problems at Flybe calmed down or are aircraft still being wet leased to cover shortages

Snigs 5th May 2005 19:24

Hmm, in response to those comments regarding my post, it seems (from your responses) that nothing is different to the management of other (non airline) companies that I've worked in!
It is such a shame, because there are so many simple and fundamental changes that they should heed that would make life so much better for everyone. Yes I'm relatively new to the company, and was hoping for a different scratched record, but alas, it seems that nothing changes!


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