Somatogravic illusion is really hammered into you during avmed training in the RAF, because of its ability to kill. You are put into a small sim-type box that enables you to experience it during your initial training and during your refresher training.

As Dan W says, a very powerful illusion that must be known about ...... and experienced in training, if at all possible.

At the risk of sounding sarcastic, this is turning to a weblog...

Does anyone have any useful to add about the GF151 incident in BKK, or have the men in the black suits come around and erased the memories of everyone involved???

There has not been one jot of useful information concerning the disturbing incident in BKK. Nobody can offer a sensible explanation as to why that aircraft was so low so far off the normal departure track.

If you want to discuss ad nauseum A320's ending up in the drink, start another thread.

"Mea Culpa", Plastique - sorry:\

Sorry Plastique.....
Ironbutt...Because 12 does not have an ILS.. that is why... as 30 ILS was within limits on the A320 crash night Gulf Aviation pilots would have been required by Sops to request it and use it.

I have to disagree. Since when is an initial take off an instrument procedure? If the guys were staring at the PFD during rotation and initial pitch setting then it may well be a contributary factor to why they hit the trees. If they were looking out the front they may well have spotted the problem earlier, rammed on TOGA and pulled back a little bit smarter. Same for the joburg incident IMHO. The procedure is to smoothly rotate visually at 3 deg per second to 15 deg nose up. Not follow the beam bar and at rotate set pitch via the pfd and the maltese cross.

Hey SSS,

"In 1967 I had a DC3 medical evac landing/takeoff on a night as "Black as a whitches tit". "

Don't mix your metaphors please.

"Dry as a whitches tit" is correct. Be careful with the "Black as.........."

Good info in your post though... experience passed down is invaluable but becoming rare these days..........thanks.

and I always thought it was "cold as a witch's (note sp ;) ) tit!

It's actually "Cold as a mother-in-law's kiss!"

and.. as black as a badger's @rse on a dark night...

Hi Desertia

You don't need to have Thai to operat from Bah . As a Qatari I invite you to fly Qr from DOH with an easy and fast transit in Doh with option of two daily flights to BKK and then see the difference .

I personally have flown with GF to BKK seven times before .I suffered alot .I remember once flew fromBKK to DOh on a hired 747 in 1987 . we had to stop in Dhaka, then in Musct and we changed aircraft in Bah , flew to Doh next day we spent almost one day to get to Doha .

But there was a superp flight I flew with GF to BKK on 14 th Jan 1988. the flight GF150 I most enjoyed the Tristar aircraft , wich I consider the best in the world .( I don't know why they stopped manufacturing this legendary aircraft )

But I still see the 767 aircaft of gulf air doing very well at the Gulf Traveller Division wtih less techincal problems.

I think Gulf Air now in it's final stages , in a short time we will be hearing Abu Dhabi announces it's withdrwal from the company .

Bahrianese have to depend on them selves to rebuild a strong national flag carrier.

Good thing you have it all figured out there mr alpha 767:yuk: