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dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 13:55

Its Ryanair announcing an increase in frequencies and four new routes



















from Stansted and Gatwick.

gayrugbybloke 19th Nov 2004 14:09

the wait for easy goes on then....wonder if it will ever happen......................

JIMMY-O'B 19th Nov 2004 14:26

the wait for easy goes on then....wonder if it will ever happen......................ANSWER no ;)

lagerlout 19th Nov 2004 14:26

mr gayrugbybloke why so interested in EZY? MAN has a fine network of low cost options through a variety of operators. Why the need for EZY

eggc 19th Nov 2004 14:29

DWLPL,

You seem to take geat delight in ridiculing speculation on a regular basis if it has got anything to do with MAN.

I cant wait to see you disappear if any of these romours actually do come off...(with a big IF)

ManofMan 19th Nov 2004 14:38

eggc,
The reason that DWLPL has a swipe at Manchester so often is plain to see. His local airport is obviously Liverpool who apart from freight and the odd charter survives and has expanded virtually solely as a result of Lo-Cost cariers.

So imagine how annoyed dwlpl and other Liverpool based people must be when in the last 2 years Manchester some 30 miles away from this Lo-Cost hub has seen some 30+ daily Lo-Cost flights announced.

I just wonder if things were the other way round would I be full of so much self pity and try to ridicule anything to do with LPL ????.

I Think not.

Speedbird777heavy 19th Nov 2004 15:07

Here we go again...................

another `my airports better than your airport!` spat.......

Boring.........

We should all be grateful for a wide choice of airlines and routes from BOTH airports. LPL and MAN operations should complement each other, and so far I think they are both doing a pretty good job. Here`s to the future and expansion at both airports.

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 15:11

Where do I ridicule MAN?

Flying Fokker 19th Nov 2004 15:12

ManofMan
You make it sound like LPL has had no new routes in the last couple of years can i just remind you that Wizzair are due to start in December Aer fungus have already started Air Wales are giving it another go and Flybe with there numerous routes with more in the pipeline and not forgetting Emerald with there IOM route. And many more

Flightrider 19th Nov 2004 15:16

easyJet have indeed applied for slots at Manchester for Summer 2005:

Amsterdam 3 x daily
Basle 1 x daily
Dortmund 1 x daily
Rimini 1 x daily
Palma 1 x daily
Malaga 1 x daily
Alicante 1 x daily
Newcastle 2 x daily
Belfast Inter 3 x daily
Nice 1 x daily
Bilbao 1 x daily
Madrid 1 x daily

plus easySwiss on 2 x daily Geneva-Manchester.

Looks like quite an invasion.

eggc 19th Nov 2004 15:20

DWLPL....


WHERE ARE YOU NOW

:-)

aeulad 19th Nov 2004 15:39

MAN-NCL???? whaaaat??

cbt_bear_MAN 19th Nov 2004 15:43

Manchester to Newcastle is a pain in the bum by train and can take as long as three hours, so an air service would be a great idea - though lets face it, they'll probably get them and then turn them in to Man - ALC or PMI instead!!

Is this EZY stuff at MAN just a wind up though? Where has news of these slots come from?

Flying Fokker 19th Nov 2004 15:46

Didnt EZE or AKL try NCL and lasted all of a couple of weeks

ManofMan 19th Nov 2004 15:46

Its all Hot - Air until EZY says otherwise.

Mom

cbt_bear_MAN 19th Nov 2004 15:52

well said MOM...lets not forget that plenty of airlines have applied for slots in the past at ringway and not gone ahead with services.....

it might spur my fave airline, BA in to starting a few new routes though!! Get in there early before another Lo Co arrives!

pwalhx 19th Nov 2004 15:59

Interersting list, still some of the old favourites though. I would like to have seen some more variety like Riga, Tallinn, Warsaw, Bratislava or Ljubljana.

(I know Air Baltic do Riga and LOT Warsaw)

Maybe if this comes off then in the future they may appear.

ALLMCC 19th Nov 2004 16:10

The BFS is interesting - bye bye baby!!

cbt_bear_MAN 19th Nov 2004 16:13

would be interested to hear from dwlpl and the other ezy staff at LPL - did they know about this pretty big news?!

gayrugbybloke 19th Nov 2004 16:24

this anouncement may not mean basing any aircraft at MAN - it could all be done by utilising the aircraft based at EZY's other bases e.g. Dortmund, Amsterdam, Nice etc......

I bet they'll only base about 2 at MAn to begin with....

MichaelDoyle 19th Nov 2004 16:29

Hi
Im from Liverpool.Love LPL & MAN just as much as eachother.I wont be dissapointed as I know that other airlines in europe will fill in the EZY LPL routes.Possibly a baby switch from MAN?
Thanks
Michael

willywick 19th Nov 2004 16:30

<b> this anouncement may not mean basing any aircraft at MAN - it could all be done by utilising the aircraft based at EZY's other bases e.g. Dortmund, Amsterdam, Nice etc...... </b>

Easyjet don't have any aircraft based in Amsterdam or Nice...

Continental bases are Dortmund, Paris, Berlin, Geneva. All other bases are in the UK.

Looks as though EZ will have to base a few aircraft and on the base of what we have seen 3-4 aircraft based there looks likely.

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 16:32

If it does not happen on Monday, what then?

eggc 19th Nov 2004 16:45

Six based Jet2

Four based BMIbaby

??? based easy (3 or 4 ??)

Air Berlin about to double their operations at MAN

plus Hapag etc

Surely a dedicated lo-co terminal is on the cards for the cargo area...

otherwise where on earth will all these park ???

Speedbird777heavy 19th Nov 2004 16:51

So, let battle commence....

Not so much between EZY LPL and EZY MAN, but by all the loco presently at/soon to be based at MAN. How much is there now in the duplication of routes to the likes of AGP, ALC, NCE etc. Surely something will give - can the market really sustain all these flights plus the charters?

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 16:56

I doubt very much the 'charter airline' has much of a future anyway.

PPRuNe Pop 19th Nov 2004 17:23

Please stop the sniping and stay on topic. Information is not always as it seems and can lead to a backlash.

Try being sensible and make proper comments.

We don't want to get heavy and ban the thread. So..................

PPP

Cyrano 19th Nov 2004 17:24

So EZY has applied for a load of slots at MAN?Doesn't mean much unless they keep them past the slot handback deadline (can someone remind me of the date - end of Jan?). They could be serious, they could just be playing a what-if game, they could be seeing what slots are free to build a smaller network out of MAN, they could be planning to fill a gap if one opens up, they could be psyching out the competition ;) ...

Flightrider 19th Nov 2004 17:43

There is indeed no proof that these applications are serious until such time as easyJet puts the routes on sale. Remember that they can hold slots up to 31 January without then using them for the summer season if they really felt like it.

According to the schedules filed, the only non-based aircraft operations were the easy swiss Geneva flights. All of the rest were nightstoppers at MAN - looks like four or five aircraft.

Some other applications in case of interest:

Air Polonia 4 x weekly Warsaw 737-400

No sign of any increase by Air Berlin versus the winter schedule

Air India 3 x weekly 777 Delhi-MAN-Toronto

Alitalia MD80s onto MAN-MXP and a new daily MAN-Rome MD80

Bmi applied for Toronto again, which would imply a fourth A330 if
the other Caribbean/Las Vegas services are to continue

FlyBe for MAN-BHD 4 x daily; MAN-SOU up to a 146

2nd daily Continental EWR with a 757

GB Airways routes as already announced

Jet2 routes as already announced

Malev 3 x daily BUD with 737-600

Sky Europe for Warsaw, Krakow 3 x weekly each

estonian 3 x weekly Tallinn 737-500

Lithuanian 3 x weekly Vilnius (very) late night 737 operation

Virgin Express Brussels (again)

No obvious signs of growth from bmibaby

Monarch applied for daily Murcia & Madrid A321 services


Will that do to keep the thread stoked up for a bit?

willywick 19th Nov 2004 17:55

Flightrider,

Any way you or anybody else in the know could publish the schedule which EZ supposedly wants to fly should they come to Manchester`?

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 17:56

What the significance of January 31st?

eggc 19th Nov 2004 18:03

Flightrider,

Interesting list of applications, disappointing on the long haul front tho' considering the recent rumours.

Scottie Dog 19th Nov 2004 18:27

dwlpl

You obviously have not ready Flightriders posting properly.

Airlines can apply for and hold slots for the summer schedule as 'provisional' until 31st January. At that time all unwanted slots should be returned to Airport Co-ordination Ltd - the UK co-ordinator for Manchester Airport - for use by other airlines.

You might find the information on the ACL website of interest re the airports that are slot restrained in the UK.

http://www.acl-uk.org/

Cheers

Scottie Dog

Hope this helps to clear up the situation.

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 19:00

What happens if they did not 'return' the unwanted ones and then did not use them?

ManofMan 19th Nov 2004 19:04

They wont be doing, take it from me.

Scottie Dog 19th Nov 2004 19:06

dwlpl

I think the answer to that is - prove that you intend you use them, or you will forfeit them?

If the slots are held for off peak times when there is no 'waiting-list' then possibly they may be allowed some leeway in the handback date.

Just my understand, not an official response.

Flightrider 19th Nov 2004 19:26

Plan looks to be five aircraft. Not all slot requests were given the slot times that they actually required, so this list is their requests rather than what they've been given:

A/C 1
ORY 07:45 11:20
RMI 11:55 17:00
ORY 17:25 21:00
PMI 21:35 03:25

A/C 2
NCL 07:00 09:00
MAD 09:25 15:05
NCL 16:00 18:05
ALC 18:30 00:35

A/C 3
BFS 06:25 08:30
BFS 08:55 11:00
BIO 11:45 16:50
AMS 17:30 20:40
BFS 21:05 23:05

A/C 4
AGP 06:00 12:30
ORY 13:15 16:40
NCE 17:10 22:25

A/C 5
AMS 06:35 09:50
BSL 10:20 14:50
DTM 15:20 18:30
BFS 18:55 21:00

Cheers

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 19:38

The Monday announcement that was mentioned earlier in this thread may be related to the following thread that I have just created.

Liverpool to be Ryanair New Base : http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=152815

gayrugbybloke 19th Nov 2004 19:50

In the interests of northwest unity, I think we should all take a step back and have a big group hug.....ahhhhhhhhh that's better! Dwlpl. where is your hand going....??!!

dwlpl 19th Nov 2004 19:52

.... and still not a good word said in LPL's direction, eh Vuelo;)


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