cbt_bear_MAN

No stands on B pier can handle a B747 which I suspect would operate the AI route? There would be room for an A310 from the apron point of view but the inside of the pier sure gets very crowded very quickly! Hence most longhauls in T1 tend to get C pier, where space is obviously at a premium.

PHX

ps Adola69, like what you're saying, you obviously know MAN pretty well!

pheonix,
Then the EUK [to name but one airline] B747s have been an optical illusion then?
wetp,iktch

chiglet, you are correct that the EAL 747's have been parked on b-peir, but have you ever been down there when they are on stand along with 3-4 other chater a/c?? It is horrendous for pax and staff. MAN really needs to pull it's finger out regarding stands, equipment and services that aren't retail (check in computers, baggage belts, security staff, etc, etc) and it really needs to be done now. MAN has the potential to be world class, but right now it comes across as a regional airport with little or no interest being payed to it by the directors.

Waiting for stands when early is a major problem, I have sat for 30mins looking at an i/b longhaul that can't get on stand, the earbashing you get then from disembarking pax makes it all worthwhile!

Come on MAN pull your finger out.

edited to add - and none leaky roofs would be appreciated too.

Why hasn;t Manchester Airport plc re-developed B Pier before now?

they have :p :p they have put seats in down near gate 2, which is great if your a/c is parked down there, which if it is a bigger than a 737 or 320 it won't be and you can't hear flights being called either because they tannoys are all localised to each gate!!! So well done MAN, more good work there then.

A new future?
 

As has been previously posted the Airside General Manager and the Ops Planning Manager are both leaving. Will the introduction of 'new blood' into the airport finally bring around a change in planning and development? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

manchester
 

At last someone realises it's the managers of an airport that make the difference,regardless of owner. Councils or private.

EZY Update
 

Terry Wilcox

As was said previously on this thread the EZY basing is down to one possibley two a/c as there are no viable slots left.

EZY Swiss have a daily GVA lined up EZS850/1 in 1020 out 1045.

Another interesting snippet is that a local advertising company has been given the contract to put up the Bus posters etc for when the announcement is made , but the staff are not allowed to see the posters .. yet ;)

No doubt time will tell !
brgds
TCM

The 2 managers that are leaving have nothing to do with terminal planning, I know them personally and can assure you that if they had been involved in that side of things there wouldnt be any terminal shortcomings. They have both been extremely commited to MAN and they will be a great loss to the airport.

Air Canada
 

Are Air Canada to return to Manchester this summer? They havent opened bookings yet for the daily YYZ - MAN - YYZ

Actually, in my experience, the problems about facilities at MAN are probably no worse than at many other UK airports.

Arriving at LHR T3, there's a good chance the travelator won't be working (and many of the stands are a long, long walk along the piers), the signs are a joke (and of course, only in English), acres of ghastly swirly-patterned carpet that smells like a drain.......

And as for the LHR central bus station, passengers have to resort to wandering around asking each other where their bus departs from, the information system is so dire. Last time I was there, even a bunch of Russians considered it a joke!

Or how about Luton? Potholed, badly-designed access roads and car parks, a sea of litter.... At least they now have Spanish management, so maybe they will inject a bit of Spanish design and efficiency into the place.

So maybe MAN is just typical of UK airport management, who seem to regard airports as shopping malls!

EZY at Manchester
 

So as far as you are concerned, TCM, what are the EZY routes to be? Surely not just a GVA service? Can;t see that being a money-spinner out of skiing season.

Chiglet,

Sorry, having re-read my post I see I didn't make myself entirely clear. Whilst there is the physical space to park a B747 on B-pier (Stand 12 for example), the logistics associated with this, particularly within the terminal, make it as good as unworkable (And that's BEFORE the passengers start to wander all over the ramp at Stand 12)...C-pier is much more user-friendly insofar as all stands have at least one airbridge...

PHX

I learn from sources at MAN that the T1 baggage hall and C Pier are to get a lovely new floor covering this winter, bright swimming pool blue! Just like the immigration hall! That will no dount look delightful. Also the arrivals meet and greet area is to get a facelift too at T1.

Retail-wise, there are to be new shops built in the T1 lounge (GAP, or NEXT, Pret a Manger and McDonalds muted) and the T1 outbound security area is to be redeveloped in the light of a huge increase in domestic and Irish passengers having to use T1 (Ryanair, EU Jet, FlyBe, BMI Baby, Aer Lingus, Aer Arran).

Looks like they are perhaps starting on the terminal's improvement at least!

From what I've heard BD have applied for the MANYYZ slot again. Still a bit confused about how they intend to run the LHRBOM on the 330 without pulling something from MAN? Will this be a last minute switch and pull?

EZY
 

GayRugbyBloke

All the EZY slots show AMS with 4 figure Flt No's , something like
9991,9992,9993 etc . From what i'm told this is a cover for the real dests !

brgds
TCM

So what are the EZY routes to be then, TCM? And when do the seats go on sale and the buses get decked out with the adverts?

US Airways
 

There is a lot of press coverage of the possible demise of US Airways. If it does go bust, does anyone think NW, UA or AA might step in and take over the lucrative MAN - PHL route?

US Airways
 

Seems US may be getting enough financial concessions to allow them to continue (again).

For the sake of the employees I hope they remain in business!

Cant see MAN-PHL without US.

Who would provide US with a feeder service for their domestic network when they can feed their own hubs i.e EWR / COA, ATL / DAL etc etc...

With ref to COA, an equipment change to 764 looks on the cards, I wonder if this reduction may coincide with the introduction of a 2nd daily 757 rotation ?? ( possibly to LPL, you never know !!?? )

The only way a MAN-PHL servce would restart if US Airways go under would be if a new hub/focus city or transatlantic gateway was opened at PHL by another airline and even then a MAN service could not be guarenteed as Im sure there would be bigger priorities than MAN

However I hope than US Airways and their MAN route is around for a very long time yet

Eggc,

My info. sources say the B767-400 is now operating into MAN but will revert back to B777 from 3rd May onwards.

sorry, should have been clearer in what i was saying....

COA may stick with 764 ex MAN, utilising triples elsewhere ( Asian destinations mentioned ).

EZY
 

Veulo

I havn't got a clue where the real dests are to be :(

brgds
TCM

CO are back to the 764 on MAN-EWR for now, however, for summer they will be back to 777s, as the loads are Waaay to big for the 764.
Perhaps a 2 Daily 762/764 may be in the pipeline?

Terrywilcox said: I don't think it is as black and white as that. I agree that the managers make a huge contribution to the success of an airport business. Incentives also have a role to play in how those managers meet or exceed targets. The incentivisation mechanisms available are dependent on the ownership structure of that business. Probably one for another topic as MAN is an interesting case study in this respect, but obviously it is a broader debate than that.

Terminal 1
 

My theory is that MAplc have no interest in upgrading the facilities at T1 because essentially it is to be turned in to a lo-co and charter terminal, so less sophisticated facilities means cheaper fees. Possible explains why all the money seems to be going in to Terminal 2.

ScottieDog said:
More info at
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne..._concorde.html

Of all the rumours thrown around this thread..is there any more gossip towards the more probably new Summer '05 services?

I was thinking that maybe Cathay to HK was expected or an Air China, and possibly a second New York - either CO or Delta?

IB back to Madrid and Barcelona too?

Alitalia to Rome?

Air India
 

Because of congestion at T2, Air India's new service will operate from Terminal 1 from summer 2005, I am told.

Air India ?????

I had given up on them using MAN...the vibe was that a BHX service will be launched in 05, this being backed up by several indian press releases...

Hope things have changed, maybe the very old BHX runway length aurgument has come into play again ???

Manchester Summer Slot Deadline
 

Just to clarify one point. The final date for the return of slots is 31st January and not, as posted by some, the 13th.

This means that we will, hopefully, know who IS NOT operating services. After that it will be a case of who takes what pickings as 'second choice' and whether the new slot availabilty will enable other airlines to commence services at times that they want.

Well we can definitely dicount Air Polonia!!

More Star members to T1?
 

Heard a rumour (from a mopre reliable than usual source) today that Singapore may well be moving over to T1 in the summer in order to create a 'Star Hub' along with BMI, Lufthansa and LOT.

Would certainly make sense, thoug what will SQ premium passengers think of T1 facilities?!

manchester happenings
 

sorry scottie dog,guess it was me with the wrong date. don't know where I got the date from. Thanx.

just hoping Finningley get easyjet is all

Air India... ?

......do tell us more...!

They announced BHX in the Indian Press three week ago citing a larger market in Brum...although rumours from the airport suggest they that they were adamant they wanted Manchester.

...that was UNTIL they became aware that they were saddled with remote parking, they then basically turned round and told the airport to stuff it !

Maybe BHX was simply a ploy to get stands on a terminal,
hope so ?

Whilst the new Lo Co services are great, if this is now at the expense of any new long haul surely its a bit of a backward step......!

News from MAN website...

Record Breaking 2004

More new routes were launched from Manchester Airport in 2004 than any other previous year. 18 new routes were announced between January and December 04, including domestic, European, and International destinations.

A mix of ‘no frills’ carriers and full service airlines operate the new flights, further strengthening Manchester’s position as the airport of choice.

The 18 new routes were: Bristol, Kerry, Manston (Kent), Plymouth, Waterford, Antigua, Bordeaux, Boston, Bucharest, Budapest, Damascus, Deer Lake, Houston, Hurghada, Miami, Paderborn, Riga and St Lucia.

New 200-Bed Low-Cost Hotel For Manchester Airport

Travelodge, working in partnership with Manchester Airport Developments (MADL), has announced that it is to start work on its largest new-build project outside of London - a 200-bedroom hotel at Manchester Airport

The £8million Travelodge, to be located next to the main access road into Terminal 2, is due to open in November 2005.

The new hotel will be built by Manchester Airport Developments, the property and development arm of the Manchester Airports Group, and leased to Travelodge for 25 years.

Yes December pax 1,333,304 up 9.27% on last year

Must have bought yearly figures very close to 21 Million

G-I-B

Moving Annual figures show that the 2m mark has already been passed in November.

The Terminal figure was 20,888,866 and the Total Passenger figure (including transits) was 21,421,921 to the end of November. This represented an 8.3% increase in the same period last year (2003).

Shame the 21m terminal figure will not be reached in 2004 - might it!

Just a point to all the MAN BHX bashers...PIA operates out of both airports so why can't AI????

Coments.................


BHXviscount(NOT a MAN basher but maybe slightly jealous!)