What is bizarre about a 5kgs hand baggage allowance?? A lot of airlines limit hand baggage to 5 kgs. Why do people expect to be able to carry unlimited hand baggage onto an aircraft, it is a fcuking hazard if it falls onto someone from an overhead locker! Why should the poor person who boards last not have anywhere to stow their hand luggage because some inconsiderate person has used up all the overhead locker space?

Shouldn't pose a problem, especially if there are only 30 pax on board. :D

So how long is it going to take with only avg 30 pax, low fares and a 109 seat a/c with an avg hourly rate of $3000 USd per hr to go belly up?????

Answers on a postcard. :} :p :ok: :8

Ah come on now Jetscream, 80 out 30 back is an average of 55.

But hey lets not let basic arithmetic get in the way of a good rumour....:ok:

Lets just hope their 'scheduled' F100s are more reliable than the 'charter' ones which they operated for Italian tour operators. Loads of pax got seriously 'plssed off, some stranded, some suffering delays of more than 40 hrs.... Might get away with that on IT charters, but not on scheduled services !!! There is no such thing as a free meal, you get what you pay for. At $50.000-75.000 per month, F100s are about as cheap as it gets. And of course, there are plenty in the desert. So we will probably see many more 'me-too' low cost startups from airports you have never heard of.

But when your lease rate is only 10% of the DOC based on 300 block per month, it does not bode well.

Gotta say there seems to be way tooooo much bad vibe for them to be able to turn it around into a credible LCC, but hey what do i know?

What i do know is that starting from MSE at the beginning of the winter season is either very brave or very dumb?

Wait and see i suppose.

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With ref to Ops Controller working notice, it is not through problems with the company, quite the reverse.
I am working my notice through personal reasons and am gutted I will be leaving the company.
This is going to be a slick Operation

So why are Ops Controllers leaving then ?

One is going to fly with another airline
The other one is really for personell reasons and nothing to do with the airline, in fact if it was up to him he would stay,
Whats the big deal with them working their notice, people move in this industry all the time.
Today the company flew its first full load 108 out 99 back on a 108 seater, how many start ups have done this within three days???????????

There's a subtle difference between Italian charters and a scheduled operation - the italian charters have interferrence outside of EUJ when inevitable problems occur which does not always give the best solution.
Left alone, euj ops can properly trouble shoot problems on their OWN routes and come up with workable solutions.
Regarding loads, there are many established routes that carry less than EUJ's first flights and it must be factored in that people will take a while to pull theselves away from the better known carriers and try something new.

Why not give a positive response to a new scheduled airline and give it time to prove it's worth?

Fred, Exactly what were / are the external influences ????

Strikes me that the operation in 2003 in Italy worked; in 2004 it didn't.

Care to give us your opinion on what had changed?

I meant the charterer interferring with trouble shooting problems and sometimes making things worse

That perhaps explains why the adage "the customer is always right" doesn't apply in your case.

Surely though the problems in Italy, and in Germany, which have been presented on the forums, can't all be blamed on the client company?

What was the real cause of these well publicised misfortunes? Will the same problems just recur at Manston ?

Difficult times ahead by the look of things.

Average 30% load factor, mmmm suits you sir!

Looking at the schedule that equates to a cash burn of £100,000 per week, which equates to deep pockets or bust within 20 weeks more likely 10-15, unless someone can tell me the yield is really fantastic on fares of £50 using a 109 seat jet??

Standby to pull the yellow and black handle?

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you seem to be hoping that they fail J32...... why?

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Certainly not hoping they fail, just cant believe the project with the a/c size they are operating and have a couple of really good friends who work on the ground @ MSE.

Not only that but when another airline fails it just spreads more doom and gloom in an already difficult industry.

BTW never worked for them, never applied, never needed to?

;)

Really can't understand all the negative posting regarding the new services offered by EUJet ex Kent International.

Travel to/from the airport is extremely easy and avoids the M25/M11 car parks in the mornings - car parking is right outside the terminal and easy/friendly check-in. On return rapid baggage delivery and no queues at Immigration/Customs.

Seat pitch on aircraft extremely generous,with leather seats and the ability to block your seat (at no additional cost) when you make your reservation.

Anyone living to the East of the M23 or South of Dartford will find the options offered from Manston hard to resist and with Easyjet pulling off CPH/ZRH routes these routes become attractive to anyone in the LGW catchment area rather than driving round to LHR/STN.

I see a great sucess for Kent International but only if the general public get behind their "local" service and realise that they can avoid the congestion at LGW/LHR.

Perhaps a few of the charter operators will also look at MSE where morning/peak operating slots are still available with the full facilities now on offer at MSE.

And before anyone asks I don't work for EUjet - just appreciate the chance to look at alternatives to the slog round to LGW/LHR & STN.

At Manston, I think its quite possible to park your car, buy a ticket, walk to the teminal, check in and then buy a cup of tea (white no sugar) in 15 minutes no problem! I am sure there a lot of hard working and dedicated people at KIA and within EUjet lets hope it works out for all of the folks down there. Good luck!:ok:

When an airline goes to the wall it in my view damages our industry as a whole, what with all the recriminations and negative publicity. It appears to me that since this thread began there has been a desire from certain quarters to see that happen to this airline. As an outsider looking in it is all too easy to identify shortcomings in a start-up scenario. I can only assume that the management of this company along with the airport are applying all their collective resources to ensure success. Let us not forget the staff who have taken chances to move to a new airline, I hope your future brings permanency and security. Let us not also forget the value added jobs created as a result of this venture along with the economic benefits it will bring to the region. There is a lot riding on EUJet. I would like to raise my glass to you all and wish you every success for the future. It would delight me to no end to see my fellow ppruners row in behind me and send similar wishes to you all through what will be a long and difficult winter. We look forward to seeing you in the summer!

thanet
 

Eujet celebrates super first week.....................

A week after the first Eujet flights took off, east Kents new link to the rest of Europe is being hailed as a great success.
Up to eight budget flights a day are now taking passengers to five cities, including Copenhagen,Dublin and Amsterdam.
By the end of the year 22 cities and resorts across Europe will be within reach in less time than it takes many to travel to Gatwick or Stanstead.
Edwina Kilford, spokesman for Kent International said the success of the flights had exceeded all expectations.
Its been a brilliant first week.
Passengers are bustling in and out all the time and the airport is really busy.
One particular nice surprise is how quickly our new staff have settled into their roles.
They have responded to the challenge with tremendous enthusiasm and are delivering a first class service to passengers.We knew we had employed good people and they have gelled very quickly to make strong teams.
We have had a lot of positive customer feedback and everyone is excited about the future.
Most of the staff have been recruited locally, and EUjej have teamed up with Thanet College for training courses.
EUjet spokesman Phillip Bosley said the airline was making Manston a viable contender as an alternative departure airport.
He hit back at criticisms that the airline was not doing enough to attract incoming passengers.
He said 'Our ultimate marketing strategy is to make Kent International attractive as a departure airport for local people and that is what we have been concentrating on.
We have made some efforts to market the service abroad, and that is the next stage of the proccess.
Canterbury is a world famous destination and the airports proximity to it is a big selling point to foreign visitors.
Members of the Clipgate Flying Club who flew out on the inaugural Eujet service to Dublin believe the service has a bright future.
Club secretery Bob Nunn said 'As well as our eight pilot members there were another six pilots on board the aircraft, which is a measure of our confidence in the airlines quality of service and in the prosperous future success of the enterprise.
Flights to Shannon in Ireland start on Wednesday with Manchester,Glasgow and Edinburgh joining early next month.