Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Airlines, Airports & Routes
Reload this Page >

Airship order from Air Nostrum

Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Airship order from Air Nostrum

Old 16th Jun 2022, 05:30
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 8,817
Airship order from Air Nostrum

Spanish airline Air Nostrum reserves 10 Airlander airships from Bedford-based firm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-618115

HAV said Airlander 10 will cut flight emissions by up to 90% for journeys across Air Nostrum's regional routes in Spain.
The airships, which stay aloft using helium and electricity, have been commissioned to seat 100 people.
All seems somewhat strange, what sort of speed will they be travelling at?
LTNman is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 06:25
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 14,099
Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
All seems somewhat strange, what sort of speed will they be travelling at?
"Airlander 10 has a top speed of 130 kph and can stay airborne for up to five days."

HAV (hybridairvehicles.com)
DaveReidUK is online now  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 06:28
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 6,621
Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Spanish airline Air Nostrum reserves 10 Airlander airships from Bedford-based firm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-618115
"Reserves" - wonder how much money they have put down?
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 06:55
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 8,817
I can see a long range freight market use for airships but not for a passenger scheduled service operating domestically in Spain. For starters they would need different handling and would be not be able to use a conventional aircraft stand. Then there are wind speed limits and boarding issues. Seems more like an April fool joke yet it is true.


Last edited by LTNman; 16th Jun 2022 at 07:06.
LTNman is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 07:52
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 468
Read up on "Cargolifter" and you will know how this might end.
Less Hair is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 09:07
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: 41000ft
Posts: 200
"These qualities will make it an attractive option for different types and conditions of operation, including movements in towns without airport facilities and on islands." - https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/06...-airlander-10/

Does sound like they wouldn't be operating them to conventional airports. Top speed of 130kph - that could make some of the flight times in Spain very long........

Last edited by cavokblues; 16th Jun 2022 at 09:41.
cavokblues is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 09:09
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Doncaster
Age: 39
Posts: 482
A news report yesterday said they need more than £50 million funding to get production started.

Not sure this will go anywhere.
TimmyW is online now  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 09:48
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Rhones-Alpes
Posts: 430
Originally Posted by cavokblues View Post
"These qualities will make it an attractive option for different types and conditions of operation, including movements in towns without airport facilities and on islands." - https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/06...-airlander-10/

Does sound like they wouldn't be operating them to conventional airports. Top speed of 130kph - that could make some of the flight times in Spain very long........
Using unique "airports" would allow much time saving, but at a significant infrastructure cost to the operators
Tartiflette Fan is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 10:13
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 39
Posts: 437
This might not be as ridiculous as it sounds if it were utilised for the Balearic operation. You’d be looking at an hour give or take for Palma-Ibiza and Mahon, about 1:30 for Ibiza-Alicante and Valencia, about 1:40 for Palma-Barcelona, 2 hours for Mahon-Barcelona. All much faster than the ferry and adding probably only 20 mins or so the the block times of the intra-island routes. Ibiza-Mahon is longish but this doesn’t seem to be an existing route.
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 10:24
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,990
We used an Airship Industries 600 to provide an airborne camera for a televised cricket match from Lords many moons ago.

It was a lovely machine, very pleasant to fly in and powered by Porsche flat six car engines that sounded very nice, and with ducted fan pods. It took about 40 mins to get overhead Lords from Cambridgeshire but about 2 hours to get back, against headwinds.

And it required a large ground crew of about 10 people and a mobile anchoring mast vehicle in order to take-off and land. I can't see how airships will give a commercial return.
Uplinker is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 11:09
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,082
Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
A news report yesterday said they need more than £50 million funding to get production started.

Not sure this will go anywhere.
Certainly not DSA! 😆

Sorry, that was a cheap shot but at least it proves I read your posts.
DC3 Dave is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 15:04
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,447
Hopefully they have sorted the problems which caused the crash.
N707ZS is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 17:08
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 148
Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
Hopefully they have sorted the problems which caused the crash.
And the successful aircraft type that this comment doesn't apply to is ........
DuncanDoenitz is online now  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 17:39
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,447
Suggest you start reading from the top and then simply google the craft in question to see the incident.
N707ZS is offline  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 18:35
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 148
I remember both incidents; I think one was in flight, and the other whilst moored/parked/tethered.

My point was that a great many aircraft which have suffered incidents/accidents during development have gone on to quite successful careers after they've "sorted the problems".

Google HP Victor, DH Comet, Bristol Britannia, BAC 1-11, DH110/Sea Vixen, F-14, B-17, B-47, and so on. Many of these suffered early development problems which had significantly greater expenditure of energy and consequent personal impact on the individuals concerned than did the Airlander incidents.
DuncanDoenitz is online now  
Old 16th Jun 2022, 21:15
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: UK
Age: 51
Posts: 1,219
Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Not sure this will go anywhere.
Im very sure this will go nowhere. Like those Indian start up carriers from Leeds etc
VickersVicount is offline  
Old 17th Jun 2022, 00:38
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Japan
Posts: 1,068
Is one allowed to wish them luck, and hope that the business takes off in proof of concept?

Sometimes the opinions sound stronger than the winds.
jolihokistix is online now  
Old 17th Jun 2022, 06:32
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 6,621
Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Is one allowed to wish them luck, and hope that the business takes off in proof of concept?

Sometimes the opinions sound stronger than the winds.
I agree - think this will be more about competing with intra-island ferry routes than it is about conventional air services and the associated infrastructure
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 17th Jun 2022, 08:09
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Ferrara
Posts: 4,549
"Google HP Victor, DH Comet, Bristol Britannia, BAC 1-11, DH110/Sea Vixen, F-14, B-17, B-47, and so on. Many of these suffered early development problems"

Yes but at the same time there were thousands, tens of thousands, of other aircraft flying OK - the development problems were with one design.

There aren't any other fleets of airships around. The problems seem to be systemic looking back over 120 years - they're a dead end for almost all commercial uses
Asturias56 is offline  
Old 17th Jun 2022, 09:33
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Solihull
Age: 36
Posts: 155
With 5 days aloft time, i could see a lucrative role as an alternative to (very polluting) cruises. We could see one of these pottering around the Nordic Fjords, for example. Beyond that, there is an increasingly popular slow travel movement - for example people choosing ever more to travel by coach than by train. Going by airship instead of by jet will have a heap of positives that may very well outweigh the negatives (speed).

And if it doesn't a large concrete expanse to land (i.e. a traditional airport) - that's a good thing too. Any reasonably accessible field (I can think of 3 or 4 locations within 3 miles of my desk) is suddenly a potential journey start point.

That's not to say that i think this idea will work or that these airships will ever be delivered. But I'm not sure I agree with some (most?) of the negativity above!
LessThanSte is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.