Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Jota Aviation

Old 23rd Apr 2022, 06:03
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 234
Originally Posted by Pain in the R's View Post
So no European airlines have failed then, as they are in the EU? Brexit is always the reason brought up by remoaners while they are happy to ignore the impact of Covid, which hasnít had a mention here yet Covid has brought aviation to its knees.

On the more positive side, aviation jobs at airports are seeing big wage rises due to the end of limitless supplies of cheap foreign labour by people always willing to undercut the locals.

Seems this thread has been hijacked by the normal suspects who need another outlet apart from jet blast.
Aviation jobs at airports are seeing big rises globally due to Covid and it being difficult to recruit back into an unstable industry, itís not all brexit related.
AirLCY is offline  
Old 23rd Apr 2022, 06:17
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Various at the moment
Posts: 1,134
If Greg Browne ex Jota reads this, or anyone who knows him does, please PM me.
dc9-32 is offline  
Old 23rd Apr 2022, 06:38
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 39
Posts: 416
Originally Posted by Pain in the R's View Post
Brexit is always the reason brought up by remoaners while they are happy to ignore the impact of Covid, which hasnít had a mention here yet Covid has brought aviation to its knees.
I donít believe Ďremoanersí have ignored other factors. The problem is the Ďbelieversí donít acknowledge negative impacts of Brexit no matter if itís contributory or the entire cause. ďNo downsides only considerable upsidesĒ and all thatÖ
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 23rd Apr 2022, 07:48
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 6,510
This is the Jota thread. Anybody got evidence that Jota's demise was caused by Brexit? If not, you'll find an endless loop of similarly entrenched views in Jetblast
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 23rd Apr 2022, 08:06
  #45 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Narfalk
Posts: 390
Originally Posted by Pain in the R's View Post
So no European airlines have failed then, as they are in the EU? Brexit is always the reason brought up by remoaners while they are happy to ignore the impact of Covid, which hasnít had a mention here yet Covid has brought aviation to its knees.

On the more positive side, aviation jobs at airports are seeing big wage rises due to the end of limitless supplies of cheap foreign labour by people always willing to undercut the locals.

Seems this thread has been hijacked by the normal suspects who need another outlet apart from jet blast.
Actually working for a UK airline that has seen the effects of it does qualify myself to have an opinion. I have lost the right with my current licence to do all the work I could do before Brexit. What is your position? JOTA Aviation had cargo aircraft and contracts as well. Carbotage put a big dent in their operations of not being able to do inter Europe work. As for your post on wages, complete rubbish. Do you actually work in the industry? Work at an airport? I do. I heard that RVL have wound up their S340 freighter op yesterday as well. Trouble in getting work. As I said, I have mates that have lost their jobs with the collapse of JOTA. My last post on the subject.


Last edited by Cat Techie; 23rd Apr 2022 at 08:23.
Cat Techie is offline  
Old 23rd Apr 2022, 09:39
  #46 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 39
Posts: 416
Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
This is the Jota thread. Anybody got evidence that Jota's demise was caused by Brexit? If not, you'll find an endless loop of similarly entrenched views in Jetblast
Post 19 sets it out quite well, albeit with a slight naivety that set off the Brexit debate.
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 23rd Apr 2022, 12:10
  #47 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: South
Age: 42
Posts: 628
Wow, guess I should have known not to have brought Brexit up. Let me make it clear that Jota themselves mentioned the fall out from Brexit many months ago as a reason they were struggling to get work due to not being on a level playing field with the European freight operators. Maybe the article can still be found.

let me also make it clear that I am not against Brexit but even if I was a remainer the decision has been made and we all just need to move on. There are always going to be teething problems especially when your ex business partner wants to make sure none of its other business partners get any ideas about leaving itís conglomerate. Over time the UK will chip away at the EU. Hopefully whatever the disparity is with air cargo will be one of the things they work on. It seems other airlines have opened subsidiaries based on the continent and re-registered aircraft accordingly so perhaps that could have been a solution for Jota but I am no expert.
Rivet Joint is offline  
Old 25th Apr 2022, 19:12
  #48 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Narfalk
Posts: 390
Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Wow, guess I should have known not to have brought Brexit up. Let me make it clear that Jota themselves mentioned the fall out from Brexit many months ago as a reason they were struggling to get work due to not being on a level playing field with the European freight operators. Maybe the article can still be found.

let me also make it clear that I am not against Brexit but even if I was a remainer the decision has been made and we all just need to move on. There are always going to be teething problems especially when your ex business partner wants to make sure none of its other business partners get any ideas about leaving itís conglomerate. Over time the UK will chip away at the EU. Hopefully whatever the disparity is with air cargo will be one of the things they work on. It seems other airlines have opened subsidiaries based on the continent and re-registered aircraft accordingly so perhaps that could have been a solution for Jota but I am no expert.
You said your actual knowledge on the subject with your last comment. You and others like you ripped up years of work. Us in the field have paid for it. Thank you for nothing,
Cat Techie is offline  
Old 25th Apr 2022, 19:30
  #49 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 8,730
Always handy to blame Brexit for the failings of management. I don't see LCC suffering too much, as they have taken steps.
LTNman is online now  
Old 25th Apr 2022, 19:43
  #50 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: East London
Age: 39
Posts: 416
Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Always handy to blame Brexit for the failings of management. I don't see LCC suffering too much, as they have taken steps.
Not really like with like though is it. Companies with vast fleets and resources operating extensively across a continent v a small niche carrier with a handful of planes with a head office staffed my one man and his dog.
AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 25th Apr 2022, 21:54
  #51 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Posts: 4,787
Old aeroplanes, labour intensive to fix and an MRO allegedly out of pocket.........
Buster the Bear is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 06:22
  #52 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: London
Posts: 17
A lot of Brexit blame going on here.

The various JOTA returns to Companies House are freely available via the Internet. JOTAís financial problems predate Brexit.
common toad is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 06:46
  #53 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: 41000ft
Posts: 188
They do indeed. However, first page of their final statements on companies house mentions they won a cargo contract only to be told they weren't getting it because of Brexit. They also blame the uncertainty and disruption to the airline because of Brexit.

Obviously other factors also involved but Covid and Brexit played their part.
cavokblues is online now  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 07:08
  #54 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: London
Posts: 17
cb - Indeed they do. Looks like PPP to me. As I wrote, the problems started before Brexit.
common toad is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 08:33
  #55 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 2,446
Originally Posted by cavokblues View Post
They do indeed. However, first page of their final statements on companies house mentions they won a cargo contract only to be told they weren't getting it because of Brexit. They also blame the uncertainty and disruption to the airline because of Brexit.

Obviously other factors also involved but Covid and Brexit played their part.
More than a little irony in that a business owned by an rabid Brexiteer has to lay at least part of the blame of their business's demise on their own pet project.

Not that that helps one iota with the plight of those of their employees who's lives have been turned upside down by the demise of the business.
ATNotts is online now  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 08:47
  #56 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 8,730
So Covid had no impact on Jota only Brexit? Yeah right!
LTNman is online now  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 08:57
  #57 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: 41000ft
Posts: 188
No, their statements blame Covid as well.
cavokblues is online now  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 09:45
  #58 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 2,446
Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
So Covid had no impact on Jota only Brexit? Yeah right!
Did I not write 'at least part of the blame'?

Covid-19 was though something of silver lining for some cargo operators. Sadly not for Jota it would appear, for whatever reason.
ATNotts is online now  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 12:59
  #59 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Narfalk
Posts: 390
Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
More than a little irony in that a business owned by an rabid Brexiteer has to lay at least part of the blame of their business's demise on their own pet project.

Not that that helps one iota with the plight of those of their employees who's lives have been turned upside down by the demise of the business.
Mostly being Essex boys, a lot of the ground staff voted for it. Well they never understood cause and effect. Like others on this thread.
Cat Techie is offline  
Old 26th Apr 2022, 16:38
  #60 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Between the flower pots
Posts: 337
What like pay rises due to a lack of cheap labour? People would blame Brexit if unemployment was high just like they blame Brexit for a labour shortage. Whatever the issue they will blame Brexit. So how many U.K. airlines failed during U.K. EU membership? Would JOTA still be with us if we remained inside. I suspect they would still have failed.
Pain in the R's is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.