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Old 16th Apr 2022, 16:13
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Dolan was a big brexiteer, even David Icke could not help him,God knows why not! Eastern and Loganair rubbing their hands regarding football charters.
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Old 16th Apr 2022, 16:30
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Farewell to the 146/RJ then. My last trip on type (and probably on a British-built airliner, no doubt), leaving Dublin

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Old 16th Apr 2022, 17:33
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An aircraft type that I'd always loved to have flown. Good looking unlike the generic 'types of today. Probably a bit of over engineering in it like some other British aircraft.
Good luck to those affected. A sad day.
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Old 16th Apr 2022, 17:40
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
Dolan was a big brexiteer, even David Icke could not help him,God knows why not! Eastern and Loganair rubbing their hands regarding football charters.
Yes, more work for Dickie and Jonathan's boys. Dickie was also a big Brexiteer as well. Loves Le Pen.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 05:33
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Jota were looking at using A320's on IT charter or ACMI work but uness they re-appear as something else, that idea has gone.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 20:41
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Rumours of Avalon being own a few quid.

Titan re-registered an A321 and now, or certainly were flying for Italian Post, like one Jota airframe did.

G-OFOM will be flying next week out of Biggin Hill and for the rest of the European F1 season. Don't forget the QinetiQ RJs at Boscombe.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 22:49
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Mate of mine has lost his job. If he cannot get his property back, he will break in to get it back. Brexit means carbotage. It has happened as the remoaners said. The Gams cannot engage brain cells. That is so true. Before a mod deletes me, My mate was one. I am trying to help him find work. What are you doing for similar?
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 15:26
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Hardly an oversight, itís Ďwhat we voted forí. Sympathies with the crew but sounds like the owner was possibly like another turkey that voted for Christmas
Its an oversight. You canít possibly think of everything when negotiating anything let alone something as large as Leaving the EU and up against a tight deadline. Whilst there will be some short time issues Iím sure long term it will lead to a lot of new opportunities. Either way itís done now so time to move on from that debate. Iím sure the crews will be in demand now the industry is nearly back on its feet.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Its an oversight. You canít possibly think of everything when negotiating anything let alone something as large as Leaving the EU and up against a tight deadline. Whilst there will be some short time issues Iím sure long term it will lead to a lot of new opportunities. Either way itís done now so time to move on from that debate. Iím sure the crews will be in demand now the industry is nearly back on its feet.
If they'd given themselves enough time rather than working to an artificial (dogmatic) deadline perhaps more of these thing could have been 'thought of' rather than selling the UK air cargo operators down the river (along with the cheese makers, fishing industry and agri-food industry generally).

However that's history, as you quite rightly point out.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 16:05
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Nowt to to do with timescales or whether it was an 'oversight' (really??) - the EU cvould never let us leave and then carry on trading as if we hadn't. That applied to air freight as to everything else.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 11:54
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Nowt to to do with timescales or whether it was an 'oversight' (really??) - the EU cvould never let us leave and then carry on trading as if we hadn't. That applied to air freight as to everything else.
Spot on. They donít want other countries in the EU getting any ideas about following us. Had to make an example of us but they will have to change their tune eventually.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 14:56
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Spot on. They donít want other countries in the EU getting any ideas about following us. Had to make an example of us but they will have to change their tune eventually.
Could you please advise how exactly they have made an example of us compared to allowances for any other non-EU nation? Otherwise surely EU airspace would be full of lowest-possible-cost Asian and African operators carrying out regular intra-EU freight and pax ops?
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 16:03
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And, pre Ukraine, there were equally long queues at the land borders between the EU and Eastern Europe. We're getting exactly what we voted for.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 17:56
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Spot on. They donít want other countries in the EU getting any ideas about following us. Had to make an example of us but they will have to change their tune eventually.
They haven't made an example of us. We're not paying to be in the club so we can't have the benefits of the club.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 20:31
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They haven't made an example of us. We're not paying to be in the club so we can't have the benefits of the club.
And thatís fine but if you seriously think itís in the EUs interest for Brexit to go well then I canít help you. It would collapse like a deck of cards if it did.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 20:37
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Could you please advise how exactly they have made an example of us compared to allowances for any other non-EU nation? Otherwise surely EU airspace would be full of lowest-possible-cost Asian and African operators carrying out regular intra-EU freight and pax ops?
My comment wasnít related to air freight. Itís unfortunate that this particular area was overlooked or perhaps conceded but in the grand scheme of things it probably wasnít a priority. It doesnít mean it wonít be addressed in the future.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Its an oversight. You canít possibly think of everything when negotiating anything let alone something as large as Leaving the EU and up against a tight deadline. Whilst there will be some short time issues Iím sure long term it will lead to a lot of new opportunities. Either way itís done now so time to move on from that debate. Iím sure the crews will be in demand now the industry is nearly back on its feet.
It was not an oversight. It was simply what Brexit was all about.

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Old 19th Apr 2022, 21:53
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
My comment wasnít related to air freight. Itís unfortunate that this particular area was overlooked or perhaps conceded but in the grand scheme of things it probably wasnít a priority. It doesnít mean it wonít be addressed in the future.
This means:

1. An arbitrary deadline off the back of an election slogan wasnít in the best interests of the UK and itís people because one ďoversightĒ is one too many, it was too complex an arrangement to unpick with speed.

2. Addressing even one matter or oversight in the future means that contrary to above slogan, the PM didnít get Brexit done.

3. If the environment existed where Jota and others could operate freely as before, it would then be claimed it Ďwasnít really Brexití. By and large such critics would be correct.

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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 00:51
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
My comment wasnít related to air freight. Itís unfortunate that this particular area was overlooked or perhaps conceded but in the grand scheme of things it probably wasnít a priority. It doesnít mean it wonít be addressed in the future.
Like everything else about Brexit by the present UK government. It cannot be addressed for the reasons that ICAO guidance states. Some people know their facts. The Telegraph in the Officers Mess will not report such as it is not in the interests of its owners (if someone has a handle refering o type of aircraft flown). I can tell you that brexit has lead to my AML becoming invalid to work for companies in the UK! Brexit is actually the lose of rights for Britons. The OAPs and unwashed didn't care about that. It was "I don't want a foreigner walking down my street as he is not speaking English!" Just like my gammon mother in law.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 05:11
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So no European airlines have failed then, as they are in the EU? Brexit is always the reason brought up by remoaners while they are happy to ignore the impact of Covid, which hasn’t had a mention here yet Covid has brought aviation to its knees.

On the more positive side, aviation jobs at airports are seeing big wage rises due to the end of limitless supplies of cheap foreign labour by people always willing to undercut the locals.

Seems this thread has been hijacked by the normal suspects who need another outlet apart from jet blast.

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