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Old 9th Feb 2023, 11:26
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Agree that the slots should be allocated to incumbent UK operators but surely others should also be considered e.g. Aurigny, Eastern, etc.

Diaspora continues today with 2x a/c due to ferry ex BHX.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 11:34
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Do ACL or the CAA (or even the DfT) have any power or authority to direct that Flybe's slots at LHR be given to airlines who will fly UK domestic, given the provisions of company law around bankruptcy and existing competition law ? Would any of these bodies realistically take such an action ?

It may sound fair to UK residents that LHR and UK Govt transport policy should serve the whole of the UK and not just London... but this might be wishful thinking given existing legal and political constraints
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 13:26
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What constraints? You'd have thought one requirement for holding slots is actually to be a functioning airline, which is presumably why the administrators have gone back to get the licence?

I think we really need a PPRuNe masterclass on slots - any takers?!?

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Old 9th Feb 2023, 15:47
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Passed through BHX on Saturday 28th, saw 3x flybe dash 8s with BHX branded cars parked behind them

Passed through BHX yesterday to go to Dublin on Ryanair, saw those same 3x dash 8s had been moved and parked next to the plain white A330 that hasnt moved in all those times ive flown in and out of BHX recently...

Landed earlier, again saw the 3x flybe dash 8s parked by the A330.... just looked on FR24 and can see that 1x dash 8 - (G-FLBB) has just departed from BHX bound for Exeter

How many planes did flybe v2 have flying......... and where are they all?
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 15:50
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How many planes did flybe v2 have flying......... and where are they all?
https://jethroseu.co.uk/fleets/fleet...flybe_ltd.html
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 15:54
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x 3 BE just departed BHX as we speak
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 16:03
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G-EXTA just landed in EXT

I flew flybe v1 a LOT...mainly BHX to BHD, GLA, EDI, ABZ - was sad to see them cease operations in March 2020, having only flown them on return to EDI a month prior

My money is going to easyJet now for BHX-BFS-GLA-EDI flights

flybe v2, never stood a chance, sorry to say... hate the idea of good people being out of work... good luck to all
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 16:21
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And G-FLBB is following 'TA inbound to Exeter. Are the lessor's reclaiming their assets?
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 16:26
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And G-FLBB is following 'TA inbound to Exeter. Are the lessor's reclaiming their assets?
G-JECY also en-route to Oslo
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 18:05
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I am only guessing. But it seems like lessors want their airframes back ASAP, so they can try and find new operators to minimise loss.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 18:44
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I am only guessing. But it seems like lessors want their airframes back ASAP, so they can try and find new operators to minimise loss.
Dont blame them! I wonder how much they were owed by Flybe v2.

Donít think anyone would touch a Flybe v3 with a very long barge pole.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 18:52
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I am only guessing. But it seems like lessors want their airframes back ASAP, so they can try and find new operators to minimise loss.
They want them back so they are not running up parking charges at other airports. I doubt there is a huge rush for tech prone Q400s.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 19:25
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So not seized by the airports in lieu of fees
like last time?
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 19:44
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Passed through BHX on Saturday 28th, saw 3x flybe dash 8s with BHX branded cars parked behind them
Suggests that they weren't initially free to leave - the fact that a number are moving today maybe it's been sorted.
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 08:47
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So not seized by the airports in lieu of fees
like last time?
Who would want them

"Ex FB2" - thats going to pack in the buyers.................
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 11:43
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
What constraints? You'd have thought one requirement for holding slots is actually to be a functioning airline, which is presumably why the administrators have gone back to get the licence?

I think we really need a PPRuNe masterclass on slots - any takers?!?
Almost. Only an airline with an active AOC can hold slots - this is mainly because the retention of those slots is linked to the operation of them and only an airline can achieve that.

The status of an AOC rests with the CAA and revocation is not automatic just because an airline enters Administration, if it were, it would dramatically reduce the ability of the Administrators to save the business as a key asset (slots) would be lost back to the pool. At the moment, Flybe's AOC is suspended (not revoked) and therefore it can legitimately continue to hold the slots allocated to it. I'd imagine that the application of a temporary licence (if awarded) might act as some form of insurance policy for the Adminstrators, extending the time available to sell/restructure the business whilst de-risking the potential impact of revocation of the suspended AOC. Whilst it's possible that the DfT could intervene given their oversight of the CAA, I think it unlikely as it would undermine the authority of the CAA to decide on such matters and would risk politicising the situation.

If existing EU law became UK law during Brexit (which I believe was the case in respect of airport slots), then the rules regarding the control of slots are unchanged with ACL acting in line with other EU slot coordinators. Further, the remedy agreements governing LHR slots also remain in place, therefore if Flybe's AOC were to be revoked, I think it likely that all except the LHR slots would return to the pool for reallocation. The LHR slots would return to BA (as ultimate owner) to uphold their availability to any subsequent remedy application. BA would need to utilise the slots in the interim to protect the historic precedence should any other airline want access to these slots in future.

I think it highly unlikely that any other operator could secure use of these slots unless they;

(a) rescued the current Flybe business from Administration, thereby gaining the AOC and access to the current unencumbered slots, or
(b) submitted a new remedy application for use of the slots, however any application would be restricted to the specific destinations included in the original remedy which, after operating for at least 6 consecutive IATA seasons could then be swapped to an alternative EU destination subject to a successful grandfathering application to the EU.

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Old 15th Feb 2023, 11:56
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Talks to find a buyer have been called off by administrators:

https://news.sky.com/story/flybe-fac...stall-12811660

Sky News has learnt that Interpath Advisory, the insolvency practitioner, has terminated talks with potential buyers, which were reported to have included Air France-KLM and the German carrier Lufthansa.Flybe's 45 remaining employees were being informed of the decision on Wednesday.

Sources close to the process said 'use it or lose it' rules relating to take-off and landing slots had been a contributing factor in making a sale of the business too difficult to execute.
So do the Heathrow slots now revert back to BA or go to the pool?
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 16:49
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https://www.interpathadvisory.com/me...imited-update/

now official. Itís really all over even though staff on Facebook groups seem to think doing the same thing three times might give a different result.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 17:40
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Not all staff
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 18:12
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So do the Heathrow slots now revert back to BA or go to the pool?
Theyíll go back to BA so that the remedy that BA are legally obliged to provide, can be exercised by another carrier in future.
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