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Old 30th Sep 2022, 19:42
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
It might surprise you to find that the world doesn't revolve around BA.....there are plenty of other carriers to share with.
Codeshares carrying others clients at a penny in the pound literally DESTROY small carriers .

Evidence BMI, Flybe( ver 1), Adria, Malev, Regional ( Kenya), Air Litterol/TAT need I go on

Primary problem is commitment to prioritise the “others” feed over better revenue potential on own dockets and point to point eroding earnings potential, and demands on service delivery and standards.

A different perspective are genuine joint ventures or as in the US the smaller carriers operating under protected scope clauses through.

Right now Flybe would be wise to prioritise their own customers imho.



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Old 6th Oct 2022, 19:08
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Is there any truth that Flybe are for sale?
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 19:12
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Originally Posted by BHD2BFS View Post
Is there any truth that Flybe are for sale?
Everything is for sale at the right price! 😉
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 19:19
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Originally Posted by BHD2BFS View Post
Is there any truth that Flybe are for sale?
I seem to recall it was reported late last year. Is this a new report circulating?
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 20:36
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Is it possible that the LHR slots have a value?
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Old 9th Oct 2022, 06:17
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Originally Posted by SKOJB View Post
Everything is for sale at the right price! 😉
Agreed. I can’t see anyone in the UK regional market making money right now. I’m sure if you offered the owners of Flybe, Loganair, Blue Islands & Eastern enough money to sell up, I imagine they’d take it.
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Old 10th Oct 2022, 00:35
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Does anyone know what's going on with the schedule
lots of flights cancelled over the last few days and flight radar showing more flights cancelled tomorrow already
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Old 10th Oct 2022, 13:12
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Originally Posted by BHD2BFS View Post
Does anyone know what's going on with the schedule
lots of flights cancelled over the last few days and flight radar showing more flights cancelled tomorrow already
G-JECX gone Tech in BHX, with no slack, is causing delays and flights cancelled
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Old 10th Oct 2022, 16:03
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G-JECX gone Tech in BHX, with no slack, is causing delays and flights cancelled
Apparently an "aircraft late out of maintenance" is also adding to the problems.
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Old 10th Oct 2022, 17:30
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Apparently an "aircraft late out of maintenance" is also adding to the problems.
Surely such a tight schedule with so little slack must end up costing them more than it’s saving. Just from BHD there were 6 cancellations between yesterday afternoon and today. The compensation payments and recovery costs (alternative flights, hotels, duty of care etc) must easily start to wipe out all the money received and some.

social media also seems to have countless examples of people being put on new flights which are also subsequently cancelled and Flybe telling passengers they won’t cover the cost of new flights/not providing hotel or transport to the hotel.
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Old 10th Oct 2022, 18:04
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Surely the long term impact of losing passengers to easyJet and aer Lingus is more concerning for them when the regular business traveller begins to lose faith and can't risk missing a meeting.
business travel is their bread and butter and once that goes the claw back to recovery becomes hard
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Old 28th Oct 2022, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Jenny Tails View Post
Flybe are back at IOM:

BHD-IOM starts 30/10/22
BE606 BHD 1420-1500 IOM (Mon-Fri) BE608 BHD 1805-1845 IOM (Sun)
BE609 IOM 1920-2000 BHD (Sun) BE607 IOM 2015-2055 BHD (Mon-Fri)

IOM-LHR starts 31/10/22
BE725 IOM 1545-1720 LHR (Mon-Fri)
BE726 LHR 1805-1940 IOM (Mon-Fri)
Cancelled before it even begins. And with just two days notice they will be liable for EU/UK 261 compensation to all customers booked within the next two weeks… https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...BlU7-4CrVKkdA8

How many times are they going to do this? Stop announcing new routes if you have no idea when your planes can reliably arrive for you to use.
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Old 28th Oct 2022, 14:31
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Jethro's suggests that there have been issues with at least one of the aircraft which was due for delivery. Perhaps it wasn't a foreseeable situation?
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Old 28th Oct 2022, 15:26
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek View Post
Jethro's suggests that there have been issues with at least one of the aircraft which was due for delivery. Perhaps it wasn't a foreseeable situation?
But again this has now happened multiple times that their aircraft are not ready. Meanwhile Wideroe manage to get their hands on Q400 and have them delivered without having to cancel routes. Emerald also managed to get their fleet without multiple postponements and cancellations. The fact they haven’t rescheduled and just outright cut it makes me think they realised it wasn’t worth going up against Loganair after all.
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Old 28th Oct 2022, 15:39
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Not to mention possible reintroduction of capacity restrictions at LHR. They are not exactly winning the customer confidence vote. Winter 2022/2023 will I suspect be challenging for Flybe.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 13:46
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
Cancelled before it even begins.
Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek View Post
Jethro's suggests that there have been issues with at least one of the aircraft which was due for delivery. Perhaps it wasn't a foreseeable situation?
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But again this has now happened multiple times that their aircraft are not ready.

The fact they haven’t rescheduled and just outright cut it makes me think they realised it wasn’t worth going up against Loganair after all.
BA318 - I agree entirely.

They already experienced issues with aircraft delivery earlier in the Summer and had to wet-lease in capacity in the form of an E175 (SX-ASK) from Greek-based Marathon Airlines, so it's clearly an ongoing problem.

If it is the fault of the leasing firm that has led to these delivery delays, then surely Flybe would be able to seek relevant compensation from said leasing company, no?!

The lack of an early morning BHD-IOM rotation means that it wouldn't have been suitable for those people wishing to do a BHD-IOM-BHD or IOM-BHD-IOM day-return trip as the proposed timings would have necessitated an overnight stay.

Going up against Loganair on IOM-LHR is(was) just silly in my opinion and makes me think the numbers were simply just too low to warrant operating it and/or this might have more to do with holding the slots they have at LHR. If they were really committed to operating from/to IOM, they could've just delayed the launch by a few weeks, which would've still garnered some criticism, however the impacts would have been relatively short-lived compared to cancelling it altogether.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 14:28
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If other airlines have late deliveries then they either delay the route launch or lease in to cover it. P&O’s new ship Arvia is running late and they’ve cancelled its first cruise and set the date for its new inaugural.

Flybe’s late deliveries result in routes being cancelled outright like this (and others this summer). This is beginning to look like whatever aircraft delays they have are covering for commercial decisions not to go ahead with a particular route or routes. With more route launches to come, you wonder how many more aircraft delivery delays there might be.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 15:05
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This is beginning to look like whatever aircraft delays they have are covering for commercial decisions not to go ahead with a particular route or routes.
I think that's a bit cynical and would rather believe that the folks at Flybe are tearing their hair out at having to go to the expense and complexity of leasing in aircraft over the last few months.

Meanwhile there are at least 3 aircraft sat either in Exeter or Malta that should've entered service by now.

NQY to MAN and LHR start tomorrow, so lets hope they can cover it with the 6 current in-service airframes
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 15:12
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I think that's a bit cynical and would rather believe that the folks at Flybe are tearing their hair out at having to go to the expense and complexity of leasing in aircraft over the last few months.
That may be the case, but you have to wonder when the same issue keeps getting repeated. Don't forget that BE had a long lead in time and should have plenty of info on the a/c available.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 15:35
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That may be the case, but you have to wonder when the same issue keeps getting repeated. Don't forget that BE had a long lead in time and should have plenty of info on the a/c available.
You can have all the lead time in the World, and all the tech logs, but if spares are needed (due to unforseen problems) and the lessors/MRO's can't get them, for example, then you're in the trouble.
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