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Old 21st Aug 2022, 08:48
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Good points. Those who resort to scurrilous attacks only prove that they have already lost the argument. By using the language of the gutter they demonstrate an inability to reason cogently. Isn't this is meant to be a forum for professional people?
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 09:49
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest View Post
Spot on. The usual pessimistic arseholes are out again. Awaiting responses from BA318 and Skipness One Foxtrot with their bullshit. One reason why I don't come on the forum much these days armchair "experts" with no real experience in the industry only sitting behind a computer desk playing flight simulator and think after half hour they're somehow qualified to give an professional opinion that's supposedly more accurate than someone that's been in the industry 10 years LOL.
Without fail, every time you type a message on here, you end up making yourself look like a right pillock! How old are you? Thereís a lot of knowledgeable and experienced posters on here who I guarantee know a hell of a lot more about the industry than you do.

Maybe do us a favour and take a longer break from the forums and leave the rest of us to discuss things professionally.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 11:27
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There are a couple of contributors on here who I hope I never have to share a flight deck with, and I pity those who do. Your interpersonal and conflict resolution skills are appalling, I would hate to be in a high pressure situation with you. 10 years in the industry? Oh sweet summer child. I've been on the planet over forty years but I still bite the inside of my cheek from time to time; time served does not equate to expertise. Let me guess - two years flying training followed by six years as a know-all FO before Covid hit? Hardly Michael O'Leary.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 11:43
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest View Post
You've never heard of fixed price fuel agreements then..
Well, having been in the industry for the best part of 30 years of course I have.

However, any fuel hedging Flybe1 had disappeared when they did. Bearing in mind the fuel price when Flybe2 started was way higher than when Flybe1 went LBU then the hedged price is undoubtedly higher. Makes a profitable load factor of 38% a pipe dream.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 20:04
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest View Post
Just a reminder that this forum isn't just for pilots it does allow other people within the industry to come on as well. What you might not be aware of is the users I have highlighted have many a times said stuff which was either incorrect, untrue or otherwise. They refuse to listen to anyone (not just myself but many others). They will then carry out personal and/or mocking attacks on those people to prove superior. I find it laughable that because I've touched a nerve I'm getting all the flack here. For one I wish the moderators would actually be a little stricter and stop a lot of the nonsense that seems to regurgitate on these forums. Whether it's Air Southwest, Flybe far too many people who it's fairly obvious don't have real world industry experience commenting on stuff. Which if you look on my profile posts you will see I never comment about British Airways, TUI, Qantas etc because I've never worked for them and it wouldn't be right for me to say anything.

You are all welcome to keep replying with nasty messages. All I will say it is a reflection more on your own character than on me. All the best
Youíre literally the only person who has mocked, swore or insulted anyone. The conversation is there for all to see. Indeed itís a reflection on you.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 21:11
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About time that people grew up and put their big boy pants on. Can we get back to the thread topic...that's Flybe-V2 in case anyone has forgotten.

Some new routes in the pipeline apparently...possible announcement tomorrow....
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 12:55
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Newquay is now showing in the list of destinations.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 13:06
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Apparently replacing LBA on the Heathrow remedy slots for this winter, with NQY-MAN to appear as well. Quite a few more bits to come as well from what I'm told, although I can't substantiate it so won't post just yet. None of it likely to achieve any other outcome than huge losses.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall View Post
Apparently replacing LBA on the Heathrow remedy slots for this winter, with NQY-MAN to appear as well. Quite a few more bits to come as well from what I'm told, although I can't substantiate it so won't post just yet. None of it likely to achieve any other outcome than huge losses.
Maybe so but assuming they are looking for better options than LBA to retain the slots you would have to think that there's a smaller loss on NQY than there would be on LBA. MANNQY is significantly underserved so I don't see that being a "huge loss".

All depends on the yield at the end of the day...the market is certainly there on NQY which can't be said of LBA......
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 13:21
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Maybe so but assuming they are looking for better options than LBA to retain the slots you would have to think that there's a smaller loss on NQY than there would be on LBA. MANNQY is significantly underserved so I don't see that being a "huge loss".

All depends on the yield at the end of the day...the market is certainly there on NQY which can't be said of LBA......
Indeed. Iíve not been the biggest fan of their strategy but from day one Iíve thought NQY is a better option. Does Flybe entering to LHR have any effect on the PSO to LGW? Why subsidise a LGW link if LHR is being served?
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 13:26
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NQY-MAN with easyJet and Loganair both on it "underserved"? Interesting notion. easyJet are summer-only and the old Flybe service was supported with their own hub connections at MAN - none of which they have today. Jury out on that one.

And NQY-LHR will be up against an operation at LGW which is both subsidised and free of APD. Maybe during the peak summer, but during the winter may well prove to be a different ballgame.

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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 15:29
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BHX to ABZ & BHX to SOU now in the destinations drop down ?
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 15:37
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Goes to show what a farce these remedy slots are. Don’t forget they were intended to enable competition on routes where it was reduced by BA’s purchase of BMA (or BMI if you must). Originally they were used by Virgin (Little Red) who at least used them for their intended purpose. Now they’re just being pimped around by Flybe in what, IMHO, always was and always will be a slot scam.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 15:42
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BHX to ABZ & BHX to SOU now in the destinations drop down ?
Unless SOU to BHX is aimed at feeding their BHD, EDI, GLA and ABZ services I really cannot see the sense in that route, and unless punctuality radically improves, then hubbing reliably in BHX from SOU will be a something approaching a lottery.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 16:03
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SeanM1997 on Twitter reporting the following:

SOU-MAN 2 daily
SOU-EDI daily
SOU-GLA daily

All begin on 2nd March 23.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 16:53
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
Goes to show what a farce these remedy slots are. Donít forget they were intended to enable competition on routes where it was reduced by BAís purchase of BMA (or BMI if you must). Originally they were used by Virgin (Little Red) who at least used them for their intended purpose. Now theyíre just being pimped around by Flybe in what, IMHO, always was and always will be a slot scam.
You make it sound like Flybe have done something wrong, but flybe v1 used them on the required destinations for the mandatory period of 6 seasons thereby complying with the restrictions in place. As the EU concluded that Flybe v2 was eligible for the slots held by Flybe v1, theyíre now unencumbered and therefore free to use as they want (providing its EU).


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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 17:12
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I wouldn’t say Flybe have done something wrong but I do feel they’ve played the system and proved that the whole concept of remedy slots is misguided and generally useless at promoting long term competition.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 18:00
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NQY-LHR in it's own right is potentially a smart move IF ONLY IF the charging regime at LHR for a Q400 allows it to make money in it's own right. But then do they add codeshares and dilute the revenue potential?
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 18:41
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Canít imagine LM happy about BE on their now established EDI/GLA-SOU route, though choice of cramped narrow but fast Emb145 vs Noisy slightly slower D8
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 18:41
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
SeanM1997 on Twitter reporting the following:

SOU-MAN 2 daily
SOU-EDI daily
SOU-GLA daily

All begin on 2nd March 23.
​​​​​​A realistic upload for SOU,but what about CDG? Obviously there isn't the interest in this destination anymore,amazing considering the frequency of such flights in recent years.
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