UK Green List - extra routes ?
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The example you give is perfectly legal. They didn't even need to stay the night in Gib. It would only become illegal if they don't declare their stay (provided it was within the last 10 days) in any amber/red list country when coming back to the UK. Given the small numbers involved in traveling to GIB it can't be hard for Border Force to follow up and make further inquiries.
It demonstrates the futility of the whole thing though. With more than 50% now vaccinated and the rest of the world opening up, it won't be long before people wonder why the UK is still closed for its own citizens to travel.
It demonstrates the futility of the whole thing though. With more than 50% now vaccinated and the rest of the world opening up, it won't be long before people wonder why the UK is still closed for its own citizens to travel.
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I could see a huge demand for hotels in Gibraltar to provide a confirmation of 7 nights accommodation booking, allow people 30 mins to print it off at home, and then cancel the booking an hour later
Then on arrival back in the UK, all the paperwork looks to be in order...
Then on arrival back in the UK, all the paperwork looks to be in order...
The time taken /resources needed to do that "flick through" for every passenger entering the UK is rumoured to be one of the drivers behind some of the decisions being made..
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It's more the time taken to check the other documents such as tests, booking confirmations and PLF. And it wouldn't be for every passenger. Passengers arriving from almost anywhere else will automatically have to have declared they are coming from an amber country. GIB is pretty much the only destination on the Green list which would allow you to visit somewhere else with ease.
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Hopefully she will get caught on her return to the UK. I'm not sure what she is talking about using the GIB hotel address for though. The UK PLF doesn't require an address of where you've been just asks the country or islands and as I say Spain will stamp the passport so I wonder if she will then think again about it as there is clear evidence in her passport.
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Not quite sure where the industry goes in the short to medium term, with words and plans like that it’s clear no countries will be going green for quite some time and if that is the government master plan they can continue to pick whatever data they want to support any action they take. Grim
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The only country that has pulled its finger out to deliver a meaningful and impactful mass vaccination programme is The UK. The rest Europe are hovering between 5 and 25%. There is no chance they will have their populations vaccinated even by the end of 2022.
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CW, not sure what papers you have been reading but your Europe figures are too low and many are fast catching up with the UK. Finland on 47%, Germany on 46%, Cyprus on 46%, Italy 44%, France 42%, Spain 41%. I could go on.
On full immunisation Israel, Hungary, Malta, Bahrain, Chile, USA are all ahead on % basis. So to say we’re the only ones to deliver a meaningful and impactful programme is going a little over the top on the patriotism, we’re not even top in Europe.
On full immunisation Israel, Hungary, Malta, Bahrain, Chile, USA are all ahead on % basis. So to say we’re the only ones to deliver a meaningful and impactful programme is going a little over the top on the patriotism, we’re not even top in Europe.
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CW247 That's not correct. Malta has more people completely vaccinated.
The UK is on 60% having one jab. Germany is on 45%, Belgium 44%, Austria 43%, Finland 47%...
Most EU countries started later but they are also providing the second jab quicker than in the UK. Here in Sweden we're now vaccinating people aged 40+ so only one age group difference with the UK and we'll get our second jabs a month before we would in the UK so in the long run it will even out fairly quickly.
Romania, Austria, Portugal, Luxembourg, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Poland, Belgium, Spain, Switzerland, Slovenia, Denmark, Lithuania, Iceland, Cyprus, Hungary and Malta all have more than 20% fully vaccinated.
This is a good site for tracking: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccin...tionAdjusted=1
The UK is on 60% having one jab. Germany is on 45%, Belgium 44%, Austria 43%, Finland 47%...
Most EU countries started later but they are also providing the second jab quicker than in the UK. Here in Sweden we're now vaccinating people aged 40+ so only one age group difference with the UK and we'll get our second jabs a month before we would in the UK so in the long run it will even out fairly quickly.
Romania, Austria, Portugal, Luxembourg, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Poland, Belgium, Spain, Switzerland, Slovenia, Denmark, Lithuania, Iceland, Cyprus, Hungary and Malta all have more than 20% fully vaccinated.
This is a good site for tracking: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccin...tionAdjusted=1
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Agree with the above, many nations quickly catching up, which up until a week or so ago gave me hope but the past seven days have shown it doesn’t matter if our government are just hell bent against travel abroad. Never thought we would turn into one of those countries to shu5 themselves away because it’s clear this isn’t a short term blip for U.K. aviation the government have set their stall out they have little appetite for holidays abroad for some time yet and when they do it will be overly cautious and slow
lets hope 2022 isn’t a repeat of 2020 and 2021
lets hope 2022 isn’t a repeat of 2020 and 2021
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I suspect part of the problem is that the MSM have been encouraged to create a climate of fear and in that they have been too successful. There are an awful ot of `perpetually frightened` out there. I wouldnt mind betting that a lot of them never holidayed outside the UK anyway, I know quite a few. They don`t care whether aviation/travel businesses live or die. Sadly this Government seem hell bent on continuing to appease them.
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I agree completely but sadly I saw an ONS poll recently with 70ish % of people asked said they didn’t plan to go abroad this year, that combined with the media coverage and criticism over being slow on borders last March the government will frustratingly take the populist action
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Sadly to a great extent this is a direct result of where we have gone politically, the will of the people etc and a populist Government. In a pandemic there is nothing wrong in principle with preventing travel, see New Zealand and others. The problem is we don’t have the virus-free status of New Zealand or a consistent and competent approach to get there - see entry of the India variant. We don’t have a transparent approach to domestic restrictions, let alone international travel.
I'm no fan of this government, believe me, but I think some here are being a bit disingenuous.
They acted too late last year and let the virus spread, they again acted too late shutting down access to/from asia earlier this year when it was obvious that things were going wrong. They came under intense criticism from all sides and now, when they are finally showing caution, you are still not happy. If this vaccine program stalls or shows any signs of failing after we open the borders again, we are back to square one. This time last year many airlines and industry pundits were suggesting that we won't be back to normal for three to five years. That is looking very optimistic at the moment.
Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!
They acted too late last year and let the virus spread, they again acted too late shutting down access to/from asia earlier this year when it was obvious that things were going wrong. They came under intense criticism from all sides and now, when they are finally showing caution, you are still not happy. If this vaccine program stalls or shows any signs of failing after we open the borders again, we are back to square one. This time last year many airlines and industry pundits were suggesting that we won't be back to normal for three to five years. That is looking very optimistic at the moment.
Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!
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For me, the problem is they said they would follow the science on this travel issue. Have a criteria and stick to it. But it is clear they are not doing that. If there is a scientific fact that makes their policy correct then I’m happy to follow it. But the idea that a flight is safe if it goes to Cornwall but not to Malta (with less cases and higher vaccine rate) is preposterous. They might as well just go back to the complete ban on travel.
Once people start to see their friends abroad are vaccinated and travelling freely with no issues they will start to question why the U.K. is not allowing them to do the same.
If the Gov plans to go for Australian style approach then it should be clear. Even Australia is struggling to come up with an exit strategy for their plan.
Once people start to see their friends abroad are vaccinated and travelling freely with no issues they will start to question why the U.K. is not allowing them to do the same.
If the Gov plans to go for Australian style approach then it should be clear. Even Australia is struggling to come up with an exit strategy for their plan.
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acting now to try and compensate for past failings on borders doesn’t make sense. With vaccinations we are in a different place to last spring. We need to, for the sake of the economy be looking to how we can best open up, as other countries are doing. We will have mutations and variants forever, covid will be here forever, if we panic everything there is a ‘potentially’ worrying variant or cases rise then essentially the industry is finished as in years and years to come if U.K. closes borders to various countries with. Few days notice who will have any confidence booking any foreign travel?
I know it’s a divisive issue but we need to get away from he traffic light system and to one where vaccinations actually matter and have a benefit for travel as soon as we can as no way can aviation or travel ever recover under the current system
I know it’s a divisive issue but we need to get away from he traffic light system and to one where vaccinations actually matter and have a benefit for travel as soon as we can as no way can aviation or travel ever recover under the current system
