UK Green List - extra routes ?
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Christ our govt our determined to keep hammering the nails into the travel industry's coffin. How utterly obscene it is that not even a double vaccinated person can visit somewhere like Malta without having to isolate on return. Meanwhile, most of Europe is opening up and we are left in the dark. So much for any benefits from our 'world beating' vaccination programme...
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The vaccination program exists primarily to stop people dying. Foreign travel is lower down the priority list (says someone who was going to book a flight to Portugal tonight for travel later this month)
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Absolutely; our former friends in the EU are enjoying at least some leisure opportunities, the UK appears to be adopting a "no risk" policy - no risk that is, except for the risk to the thousand of people employed in the industry. At least Weatherspoons have plenty of jobs going for those unfortunate enough to find themselves out of a job due directly to government policy.
No sane person believes in a total opening up, but allowing travel to countries like Malta and indeed the USA (were we to be allowed in!!) along with I suspect some of the islands where incidence is low would surely have been appropriate.
Absolutely; our former friends in the EU are enjoying at least some leisure opportunities, the UK appears to be adopting a "no risk" policy - no risk that is, except for the risk to the thousand of people employed in the industry. At least Weatherspoons have plenty of jobs going for those unfortunate enough to find themselves out of a job due directly to government policy.
No sane person believes in a total opening up, but allowing travel to countries like Malta and indeed the USA (were we to be allowed in!!) along with I suspect some of the islands where incidence is low would surely have been appropriate.
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As daft as it sounds, I can see those current Amber holiday destinations being moved up to red. People are still going on holiday to amber destinations. Once that number increases, the government will want to stop it happening.
I am afraid to say that looks a very likely response from this government. They never wanted to allow foreign travel, so they put countries on the green list that were for the most part either a) inaccessible or b) banning inbound tourism. Portugal and Iceland went on as they were the least worst risk at the time, and Gibraltar because, well they're British!
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depressingly, as much as I want to be positive, I agree with you totally. How will this end? Even when vaccination rates are as good as 100pc the media will still be putting new variants as headline news with the same people saying they may evade the vaccine etc they may be more transmissible, thus spooking governments and a proportion of the public, I also don’t see how we ever get back to any thing resembling normal.
depressingly, as much as I want to be positive, I agree with you totally. How will this end? Even when vaccination rates are as good as 100pc the media will still be putting new variants as headline news with the same people saying they may evade the vaccine etc they may be more transmissible, thus spooking governments and a proportion of the public, I also don’t see how we ever get back to any thing resembling normal.
Well given that it is the nature of viruses to evolve (mutate) and every mutation appears to put the fear of God into politicians, the mass media, and thanks to a very successful information policy a sizeable chunk of the population at large you are probably right. Add that to some scientists that I feel sure would like to use a country such as the UK as some sort of giant experiment to see if a new virus can be eradicated, and leaving these islands for leisure, without jumping through a great many hoops, cost and inconvenience may be how things will be for at least another couple of years.
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You`ve nailed it in one..This is all about Command and Control. Unfortunately their vacuous arguments are transparent. They either have confidence in their vaccines or they don`t. They do, but they don`t want us having it. The win win for Johnson and greeny eye toads is the start of the annihilation of aviation in the UK.
There are millions who will never die of Covid but rather of fear instead..
You`ve nailed it in one..This is all about Command and Control. Unfortunately their vacuous arguments are transparent. They either have confidence in their vaccines or they don`t. They do, but they don`t want us having it. The win win for Johnson and greeny eye toads is the start of the annihilation of aviation in the UK.
There are millions who will never die of Covid but rather of fear instead..
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Dreadfully sad for the Aviation and travel industry ..just as things were starting to look a bit more promising
I am sure they want people just to stay in the U.K. vaccines were meant to change everything.so life could get back to normal or not?
if they had had the Champions League final at Wembley ,maybe ,this could have been avoided ,if the government are being truthful at all about this being the cause of green list removal
Dreadfully sad for the Aviation and travel industry ..just as things were starting to look a bit more promising
I am sure they want people just to stay in the U.K. vaccines were meant to change everything.so life could get back to normal or not?
if they had had the Champions League final at Wembley ,maybe ,this could have been avoided ,if the government are being truthful at all about this being the cause of green list removal
I am very firmly on the side of the Airlines & their employees etc, & find the Government’s squirming around & frankly, lying & misleading actions (as I see it), quite unbelievable. They are trying to be all things to all men by making reassuring statements to one sector , & then, totally contradicting ones to other sectors. I don’t envy them in having to deal with this scourge, but they are misleading us all. However, our experience here in The Channel Islands proves to me that travel is responsible for letting this virus in. We originally had a burst of transmission when the ports were open; then the virus all but disappeared when they were closed; then more infection when they opened again; then a slight increase when they were opened more widely - & all of these were attributable to incoming passengers. So, what do we do ? Well, we cannot carry on like this because, very soon, we will have no Airlines left. Fact. If this vaccination campaign is a success, the Govt must put its money where it’s mouth is & let people travel, & very soon. How many people are actually dying of Covid ? Surely, there are far more dying of other causes. I cannot remember travel being banned when a few hundred were dying of the flu. Now that we have a, supposed, effective vaccine why are we being restricted, & why are those in the travel sector having their (almost immediate) futures being threatened in this way ? Either this vaccine works, or it doesn’t !
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Spot on. If the data really does show such great risk then the Gov should make clear the criteria for being on the green list. They have said the vague things but not what the levels for each (cases, genome testing, vaccine) need to be. Make it clear and at least we know what is needed. The current system makes it look like they pull countries out of a hat each week.
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Shapps says the decision to move Portugal to Amber list is due to the increased positivity rate (still less cases per capita than U.K.) and the “sort of Nepal mutation of the so called Indian variant” which the WHO has said it has seen no evidence for and Nepal has denied any existence of...
Sounds like the government are getting really bad advice from somewhere,either these vaccines work or they don’t,..they were meant to give everyone their freedoms back?if they don’t get their act together ,there will be many in the industry out of work .
surely Malta and the Canary Islands could have been added to the green list ..some of the cases on the last list were laughable
maybe ...G7 ..Biden and Johnson could announce a travel corridor USA/U.K.?
surely Malta and the Canary Islands could have been added to the green list ..some of the cases on the last list were laughable
maybe ...G7 ..Biden and Johnson could announce a travel corridor USA/U.K.?
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Could the real reason for the government's attempt to kill the travel industry be because the Border Force's inward border delays will escalate to the totally unacceptable?
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Shapps says the decision to move Portugal to Amber list is due to the increased positivity rate (still less cases per capita than U.K.) and the “sort of Nepal mutation of the so called Indian variant” which the WHO has said it has seen no evidence for and Nepal has denied any existence of...
Sounds like the government are getting really bad advice from somewhere,either these vaccines work or they don’t,..they were meant to give everyone their freedoms back?if they don’t get their act together ,there will be many in the industry out of work .
surely Malta and the Canary Islands could have been added to the green list ..some of the cases on the last list were laughable
maybe ...G7 ..Biden and Johnson could announce a travel corridor USA/U.K.?
surely Malta and the Canary Islands could have been added to the green list ..some of the cases on the last list were laughable
maybe ...G7 ..Biden and Johnson could announce a travel corridor USA/U.K.?
Canary Islands, according to the FCO, is clear for travel. It is exempt from the "all but essential" travel warning that Mainland Spain/Balearics is under. They are looking at the same data as Shapps so what is the difference? Apart from it been political and a Secretary of State who has half a brain cell.
Latest update to the Lists.
"3 June 2021Portugal will move from green to amber list 4am, 8 June. Afghanistan, Bahrain, Costa Rica, Egypt, Sri Lanka, Sudan, and Trinidad and Tobago will move from amber to red list."
Linky : https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-ambe...tering-england
"3 June 2021Portugal will move from green to amber list 4am, 8 June. Afghanistan, Bahrain, Costa Rica, Egypt, Sri Lanka, Sudan, and Trinidad and Tobago will move from amber to red list."
Linky : https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-ambe...tering-england
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Eurohub will be BHX red terminal from next week, this alongside our red hotels should see some interesting movements and some potentially transferred from other airports :-)