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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 17:55
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Firstly Assumming you are leaving the UK and going to Spain. That's OK but not recommended by the FCO. Return you have to self isolate for 10 days and pay up front for 2 x PCP tests at approx £100 per person.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 18:45
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Not sure there is any place for :-) in this discussion.

Incompetent politicians and self-proclaimed "experts" have set a course to annihilate the UK's airline, airport and travel sectors. No meaningful financial support offered - once again.

Not sure that a handful of 'interesting movements' for BHX comes close to compensating for that calamity.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:00
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Quote from BBC Website
Moving Portugal from the green to the amber list is a "safety first approach" to "give us the best chance of unlocking domestically", Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says.

It feels as if our industry is being sacrificed on the altar of saving the 21st June domestic reopening. We appear to have adopted the Australian approach although I am not convinced it is based on any data.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:01
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Sorry, USA via FRA.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:05
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I don’t have a problem with the U.K. restrictions at the moment or this year. All the U.K’s Covid problems stem ultimately from foreign travel. People need to remember that and that only 26.5m of the U.K. population has been double vaccinated out of 66m when children are included. If travel was restricted to just those that had been vaccinated then I could live with that but I have read that Spain is now allowing night clubs to open to 2am. Seeing the unvaccinated young Brits would be piling in why risk it?

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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:16
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Sorry but what evidence do you have that it all stems from foreign travel? Remember the Kent variant which caused the second wave? That was a UK variant. There is as much risk in people travelling within the UK as to some places abroad which have lower rates and higher vaccination rates.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:17
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Heaven knows, the Govt. has an unenviable task dealing with Covid but, unless it is prepared to guarantee the aviation/holiday industry while the virus persists, there will not be an aviation/holiday industry left at the end of it. Things simply cannot be left as they are, with people & companies not knowing whether they can operate services, or go on holiday or business from one week to the next. Either the Govt. allows travel in a much more liberal way, or it takes financial responsibility for the industry. Tough choice - but the only way if it wants a UK airline & travel industry. We cannot go on like this !
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:25
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Could the real reason for the government's attempt to kill the travel industry be because the Border Force's inward border delays will escalate to the totally unacceptable?
I'd certainly wouldn't bet against that being one of the factors in play here.

Whatever the reason It does seem as if the UK gov policy has silently drifted towards being one of zero risk/zero covid...
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:33
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The virus stems from China, the U.K. variant is a variant of that Virus. We now have the South African, Brazilian, and a Indian variants plus many more. As for higher vaccination rates than the U.K I am thinking Israel and Gibraltar, UAE and Bahrain. Apart from Gibraltar everywhere in Europe is lower by a long way.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 19:48
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So basically we never open up again. After all the Virus came from the unexpected. Another coronavirus could emerge.

USA, Mongolia, Malta, Chile, Curacao and Aruba also have higher vaccination rates of people fully vaccinated. Plus some places with lower vaccination rates have much lower case rates (in Europe Bulgaria, Czech Republic lower and Serbia almost equal). Some Caribbean islands have much lower case rates.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 20:39
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Actually, it just has. Germany just relaxed the rules for transit pax. As of this writing, the vaccination doesn't count for travel (I'm in a similar position to the OP). Check the website of your airline (I suspect LH, as you're transiting FRA) and get a test as close to departure as possible, even if not mandated. The goalposts keep moving.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 22:01
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There is a cynic in me that gives this credibility. More than that, they don’t particularly want large numbers turning up to hours-long immigration queues in Alicante and realising it’s the new normal for UK arrivals and nothing to do with Covid.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 22:14
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I think it has been said that the E-gates will not be available until the autumn?

I also suspect that to open up travel before all have been offered both jabs in the way the industry hopes is unappealing to the government.
It would be great if those who are fully vaccinated were allowed travel without testing but currently, the younger generations who through no fault of their own have not yet been vaccinated would doubtless cry "discrimination" if they had to pay for multiple PCR tests to travel whilst others didn't. A fair point which they might win in court and resulting as a worst case in the government having to cover those costs. Much simpler to hold off until the autumn when everyone has both jabs from their point of view but disastrous for our industry. By S22 we will have faced what amounts to five winter seasons.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 03:10
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Vaccination rates in the U.K. are very uneven. While the national rates is 75.5% for a single dose and 50.2% for both doses in my town of Luton it is only 52.4% for the first dose and 32.8% both doses of adults due to the shear ignorance of much of the local population. This is despite drop in centres where no appointment is needed yet the towns biggest employment is linked directly or indirectly to the towns airport so affecting the very people who refuse a vaccination.

I agree that this year is another write off, as vaccination rates in key European countries are still far too low for a summer reopening. Mediterranean countries seem to be opening up regardless to anyone while the U.K. is reluctant to open up travel to just 2 dose Britains due to perceived discrimination. With the sequencing of variants almost non existent in Europe with the exception of Denmark it would mean that it would be the U.K. that would find out too late that another variant had arrived.

Clearly the English government has been spooked by how quickly the Indian variant has taken over due to its incompetence in keeping it out meaning the other nations of the U.K. have followed the same policy with the same green listed countries yet they get no criticism here.

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Old 4th Jun 2021, 10:12
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I was planning last night to book flights to Portugal for later this month. Anyone have thoughts as to whether Iceland will remain on the green list in 3 weeks time ?

It is notable that Iceland insists on testing everyone (including children) on arrival.... and one must either have proof of double vaccine or go into quarantine. Yes, you can buy forged vaccine paperwork, but the test at the border on arrival might dissuade forged paperwork

Tomorrow (Saturday) I can see 51 flights from London to Portugal. I can see just 2 flights to Iceland (or 3 flights on a Saturday a few weeks later). Clearly the number of people seeking ice is lower than those seeking the beach
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 10:21
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Iceland has a much more expensive cost of living so that needs to be factored in too. A weekend in Portugal or Southern Europe can be done on the cheap. That's much harder in Iceland and the nordics.

BA is apparently using a 777 to Faro on Monday.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 10:59
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I have immense sympathy for everyone in the airline and travel industries, having been in the airline business for over 30 years, but I can’t help but feel that some members of the Great British Public are also to blame. It’s clear that some people have been using Portugal as a route to and from Spain, presumably to avoid quarantine on return to the UK. One couple was even caught on TV explaining that they were using a flight to Faro to go to their holiday home in Spain.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 17:50
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Going back to the Govís green list decisions, the Times had an article today where Gov sources said Malta met the criteria for the Green List but Hancock refused. He also withheld data until the last minute because he doesnít believe people should leave the U.K. this year.
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Old 7th Jun 2021, 08:43
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there was an interesting bit on Radio 4's more or less about Hancock's recent speeches.... the fact checkers described them as "unfortunate"

I think Dominic C nailed it when he said he was serial liar
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Old 7th Jun 2021, 09:02
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So who is not travelling? A good indicator for me are the car parks at Luton. A couple of months ago all the car parks were closed bar the short term multi story that acted as also the mid term and long term yet it was still all but empty. Now the short time car park is full of roof parkers, the mid term looks busy and the airport has been forced to open up the long term again due to demand.

I was reading in the Gibraltar press of one family that flew into Gibraltar last week. They had booked one night in a Gibraltar hotel before heading off to Spain for their holiday.
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