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With COP26 being held in the UK later this year and Boris wanting to be seen to be green with regards to CO2 over the next few years.... I'm beginning to wonder if Carlisle will ever see regular scheduled airline service again
It's looking like it might join the club of Sheffield (not Doncaster), Plymouth, Gloucestershire, Oxford, Manston, Swansea, Shoreham and Lydd
For those who would decry my opinion... I paid for a ticket and flew CAX-SEN in 2019
It's looking like it might join the club of Sheffield (not Doncaster), Plymouth, Gloucestershire, Oxford, Manston, Swansea, Shoreham and Lydd
For those who would decry my opinion... I paid for a ticket and flew CAX-SEN in 2019
There may be some form of (additional) tax in the UK on flying or aviation CO2 emissions, with a possible exemption for PSO links to offshore islands. This will make a potential CAX-LON route even more marginal. I don't think Carlisle is a viable passenger airport just to send people across the Irish Sea
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Correct, not a viable passenger airport, or should that be not a viable stand-alone passenger airport?
The first thing that it would need is a route, served 12 times weekly, morning/evening Sunday evening thru Saturday morning, to an international hub, AMS wouldn't be viable unless on a codeshare with KLM which wouldn't be likely as KLM are already serving all airports, NCL, MME, GLA, LBA & MAN, surrounding CAX.
The only London airport that may be viable is LHR because some 50% of the passengers would not be destination London but destination international, Carlisle to London/Euston might be just 3.5 hours by train but Carlisle to Heathrow is some 4.75 hours and includes 2 changes and walks up/down escalators of 5 or 10 minutes each, complete with suitcases etc. Across the Irish Sea, both BHD & DUB, did appear to be settling nicely in to a viable schedule when operated previously, then there is the opportunity for summer weekend flights, Channel Islands, Ireland or wherever.
I understand that CAX had quite a thriving flying club activity until the current owners urinated them off, well what better opportunity for new owners to either develop their own flying club business, across the old side of the airfield, and/or encourage the ex residents to return. Reading thru private pilot threads much of the time they are discussing which airfields offer the better deals along with the better grub, trainee pilots need x-country's as part of their training, other pilots need to build up hours just to qualify for a commercial licence, make the landing/navigation fees attractive along with a talked-about flying club cafe/bar and the business shall surely come in.
Encourage an on-site maintenance facility with attractive ground rent charges, it doesn't matter if it may be for choppers, light twins or whatever, it shall bring aircraft movements, landing/navigation charges, fuel etc., in.
CAX has the RAF Spadeadam training range as a neighbour, CAX has benefited from military movements previously, market the MoD to come in for refuels, landing/navigation charges, fuel, perhaps overnight parking, and these military types aren't proud, if the grub is good they'll be in the flying club for their pie & chips or whatever and the word shall spread amongst the squadron(s), they'll all be coming in there!
And should the new owners have their own in-house airline, and particularly once any franchise contract in Ireland may be completed, where more appropriate that they base their airline and maintenance facility than at their own in-house airport?
And what about the darn great on-site 'Stobart Group' warehouse facility, I'd imagine that the ground rent alone for that would be quite significant.
There's money to be made in them there hills, perhaps not in great abundance but money to be made all the same.
The first thing that it would need is a route, served 12 times weekly, morning/evening Sunday evening thru Saturday morning, to an international hub, AMS wouldn't be viable unless on a codeshare with KLM which wouldn't be likely as KLM are already serving all airports, NCL, MME, GLA, LBA & MAN, surrounding CAX.
The only London airport that may be viable is LHR because some 50% of the passengers would not be destination London but destination international, Carlisle to London/Euston might be just 3.5 hours by train but Carlisle to Heathrow is some 4.75 hours and includes 2 changes and walks up/down escalators of 5 or 10 minutes each, complete with suitcases etc. Across the Irish Sea, both BHD & DUB, did appear to be settling nicely in to a viable schedule when operated previously, then there is the opportunity for summer weekend flights, Channel Islands, Ireland or wherever.
I understand that CAX had quite a thriving flying club activity until the current owners urinated them off, well what better opportunity for new owners to either develop their own flying club business, across the old side of the airfield, and/or encourage the ex residents to return. Reading thru private pilot threads much of the time they are discussing which airfields offer the better deals along with the better grub, trainee pilots need x-country's as part of their training, other pilots need to build up hours just to qualify for a commercial licence, make the landing/navigation fees attractive along with a talked-about flying club cafe/bar and the business shall surely come in.
Encourage an on-site maintenance facility with attractive ground rent charges, it doesn't matter if it may be for choppers, light twins or whatever, it shall bring aircraft movements, landing/navigation charges, fuel etc., in.
CAX has the RAF Spadeadam training range as a neighbour, CAX has benefited from military movements previously, market the MoD to come in for refuels, landing/navigation charges, fuel, perhaps overnight parking, and these military types aren't proud, if the grub is good they'll be in the flying club for their pie & chips or whatever and the word shall spread amongst the squadron(s), they'll all be coming in there!
And should the new owners have their own in-house airline, and particularly once any franchise contract in Ireland may be completed, where more appropriate that they base their airline and maintenance facility than at their own in-house airport?
And what about the darn great on-site 'Stobart Group' warehouse facility, I'd imagine that the ground rent alone for that would be quite significant.
There's money to be made in them there hills, perhaps not in great abundance but money to be made all the same.
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The Ettyl deal appears to be dead: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...dJrP4IjU3zyfmQ
The article is behind a paywall, however the gist of it is that Ettyl have informed the police of some irregularities with one of their proposed funders. As a result, they no longer have the funds in place to complete the deal, but are working on securing additional funding.
From what I'm hearing though, there's a little more to the story than the article implies. I'm sure more information will be out soon when the police begin their investigations.
The article is behind a paywall, however the gist of it is that Ettyl have informed the police of some irregularities with one of their proposed funders. As a result, they no longer have the funds in place to complete the deal, but are working on securing additional funding.
From what I'm hearing though, there's a little more to the story than the article implies. I'm sure more information will be out soon when the police begin their investigations.
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The first thing that it would need is a route, served 12 times weekly, morning/evening Sunday evening thru Saturday morning, to an international hub, AMS wouldn't be viable unless on a codeshare with KLM which wouldn't be likely as KLM are already serving all airports, NCL, MME, GLA, LBA & MAN, surrounding CAX.
The only London airport that may be viable is LHR because some 50% of the passengers would not be destination London but destination international, Carlisle to London/Euston might be just 3.5 hours by train but Carlisle to Heathrow is some 4.75 hours and includes 2 changes and walks up/down escalators of 5 or 10 minutes each, complete with suitcases etc. Across the Irish Sea, both BHD & DUB, did appear to be settling nicely in to a viable schedule when operated previously, then there is the opportunity for summer weekend flights, Channel Islands, Ireland or wherever.
I understand that CAX had quite a thriving flying club activity until the current owners urinated them off, well what better opportunity for new owners to either develop their own flying club business, across the old side of the airfield, and/or encourage the ex residents to return. Reading thru private pilot threads much of the time they are discussing which airfields offer the better deals along with the better grub, trainee pilots need x-country's as part of their training, other pilots need to build up hours just to qualify for a commercial licence, make the landing/navigation fees attractive along with a talked-about flying club cafe/bar and the business shall surely come in.
Encourage an on-site maintenance facility with attractive ground rent charges, it doesn't matter if it may be for choppers, light twins or whatever, it shall bring aircraft movements, landing/navigation charges, fuel etc., in.
CAX has the RAF Spadeadam training range as a neighbour, CAX has benefited from military movements previously, market the MoD to come in for refuels, landing/navigation charges, fuel, perhaps overnight parking, and these military types aren't proud, if the grub is good they'll be in the flying club for their pie & chips or whatever and the word shall spread amongst the squadron(s), they'll all be coming in there!
And what about the darn great on-site 'Stobart Group' warehouse facility, I'd imagine that the ground rent alone for that would be quite significant.
There's money to be made in them there hills, perhaps not in great abundance but money to be made all the same.
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CAX international Flights
Unlike the old days before Brexit, an international flight by an EU (GB airline obviously would be in this bracket) airline for intra EU route would just declare its intention freedom to conduct business in EU without Barriers. The Home Office would then need to provide Border Force Officers to cover that flight. These days new EU routes will need permission of the Home Office and IF they get permission, they‘ll (airport authorities) need to pay for the accommodation ie offices, X-rays, front desks, Secondary Examination area and all infrastructure that is in legislation. I don’t think Stobbart will want to pay that cost for possibility of a twice day E-jet.
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According to BBC website:
'Esken is to retain ownership of Carlisle Lake District Airport, which it also owns, but has said it will "actively explore strategic options for the use of this asset".
The business said it would hold discussions with stakeholders "including potential alternative commercial opportunities for the airport".'
Esken are the owners of Stobart Air.
'Esken is to retain ownership of Carlisle Lake District Airport, which it also owns, but has said it will "actively explore strategic options for the use of this asset".
The business said it would hold discussions with stakeholders "including potential alternative commercial opportunities for the airport".'
Esken are the owners of Stobart Air.
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IMHO total waste of time trying to operate Public Air Transport flights in Class G airspace unless you have the ability to provide a surveillance service, which is either going to have to be contracted out or provided locally. The first option expensive, the second ludicrously expensive with both unlikely to see a return on the investment.
The lack of a surveillance service at Sheffield City was probably a significant factor causing it’s demise, after looking at the number of Airproxes/Occurrence Reports relating to their traffic.
IMHO total waste of time trying to operate Public Air Transport flights in Class G airspace unless you have the ability to provide a surveillance service, which is either going to have to be contracted out or provided locally. The first option expensive, the second ludicrously expensive with both unlikely to see a return on the investment.
The lack of a surveillance service at Sheffield City was probably a significant factor causing it’s demise, after looking at the number of Airproxes/Occurrence Reports relating to their traffic.
Following the announcement of Stobart Air's liquidation, Ettyl issued the following response: “In response to the decision of the Board of Stobart Air to appoint a liquidator to the business and to cease operations, our thoughts are with all the staff and passengers affected."
The spokesman added: "Ettyl Limited can confirm that it has received termination notices from Esken in respect of the proposed transactions for Stobart Air and Carlisle Lake District Airport.”
Former Stobart Group chief executive Andrew Tinkler said he still believes Carlisle Airport has a viable future. He said: "At the end of the day, the airport is still there. It just needs the right person to rescue it."
The spokesman added: "Ettyl Limited can confirm that it has received termination notices from Esken in respect of the proposed transactions for Stobart Air and Carlisle Lake District Airport.”
Former Stobart Group chief executive Andrew Tinkler said he still believes Carlisle Airport has a viable future. He said: "At the end of the day, the airport is still there. It just needs the right person to rescue it."
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So Stobart’s ownership has wrecked a general aviation airfield with its grand plans or was it all about getting planning permission for a distribution centre and the closing of the airfield was all part of the big plan from day one.
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The airfield wasn't "closed" during this period, it was still open to non-commercial ops such as military, business jets and GA. They just werent able to operate commercial flights due to insufficient training of ATC personnel.
Now however the airport is "closed" to all traffic except based aircraft.
Now however the airport is "closed" to all traffic except based aircraft.
